Hazbin Hotel is One Helluva Mess

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A big issue with Vivvians writing is she gives too much of the actual world/character building in podcasts, and then chooses to not to write it into the show

I’m gonna say it, but inserting the war on heaven in the first season would be the equivalent of having Weirdmaggedon in the first season of Gravity Falls.

The funniest thing about Adam’s characterisation is that they had a perfect way for him to parallel Charlie. He could’ve started off as being a really nice, well-intentioned Angel who did the genocides as a last resort, but over time he grew more and more corrupted and cynical. Whereas Charlie still believes redemption is possible, Adam could’ve deluded himself that it’s impossible due to his own failings in his attempts, and the death of the Angel would’ve sent him over the edge. Hell, if they wanted to keep the “first human arrogance” angle they were going for, have it so Adam blames the failed redemptions on the demons rather than his own failed methods. Sure his hatred wouldn’t be wholly unfounded since the majority of demons act like that, but it could’ve been made clear that even with nicer demons he did a horrible job.

Bro spent 50K on the thumbnail.

If you told Vivziepop to write the SpongeBob pilot, Help Wanted, she’d find a way to have plankton, Sandy, boating school, and Mermaid Man and Barnacle Boy included in just the first episode.

Hazbin Hotel really opened my eyes to how genuinely screwed up the pacing for serialized cartoons are nowadays. It's like they're afraid that if they don't get every plot point in a single season, their show will immediately get cancelled. Which while that's a pretty sad possibility in this day and age, it makes the experience way less satisfying because we're blowing past important, emotional events that could have hit harder if more time was given to them.

Charlie not knowing what she's doing is symbolic of Vivzie not knowing what she's doing either.

"Erm if you look on the wiki it actually tells you what the sinners were like before they died 🤓🤓🤓". Someone in these comments have absolutely said this, and I hope they read this, and I hope they get mad.

My main problem is the show became a Heaven vs Hell story, rather than focusing on the characters actually redeeming. I honestly didn’t know the characters were dead humans and not naturally born demons until I read it online. There’s basically no way to tell the two types apart, because the characters’ lives as humans is never even mentioned in the show. Really weird that this is treated like just a fantasy world rather than the afterlife.

"Great concept, poor execution" is pretty much Viv's brand now. They desperately need a strict story editor who can keep things tightly focused (especially important given the limited number of episodes).

I’m going to just say it, making the angels evil jerks is a stupid decision and bad story telling. If Vivzie wanted to make them the antagonists, she should’ve had them not be blatantly evil, but prideful and stuck in their ways. It would make way more sense and be more interesting if the angels weren’t straight evil but simply didn’t believe demons could be redeemed, becuase they are prideful in their service to God, but despite that they are good and kind beings. But having half of the angels we see be murderous lunatics is ridiculous, if an angel were actually like that they would’ve fallen and gone straight to hell already.

Something that is really hard to accept when making a show is that you can’t do everything you want to. If you’re making the show yourself then you can but in most cases you’re not gonna be doing that. You’re gonna have to sacrifice some things. Hazbin only had 8 episodes and way too much was shoved into those episodes, which made it suffer immensely. Viv needed to realize that she couldn’t do everything she wanted and that she needed to cut some stuff

I remember Vaggie was originally in Hell because she took her own life. Imagine if Charlie tried to redeem/convince Heaven that someone like that deserved a second chance. How would Charlie react if she Vaggie was so desperate to escape her old life, only to end up in Hell. How depressed was Vaggie on Earth? Why was she depressed? Had Vaggie self-harmed or isolated herself during depressive episodes? Was Charlie aware of any of this? How would Charlie react if Vaggie got redeemed? Could Charlie visit or would they break up? All that potential, but nope. Vaggie’s an angel now. And I genuinely doubt we’ll ever get another sinner who unsubscribes from life.

I think Hazbin Hotel having such a big fandom this early is part of what's so detrimental to it. I think a big part of the "slice of life" content of HH is understood to be "canon" as Vivzie is so happy to declare so anytime she finds fanart/fanfic/fanwork she likes... It's like... like it's not actually a series but rather a multimedia franchise relying on the fans making up funny interactions between the cast while the cartoon gives big situations to shake things up.

Making Heaven a corrupt system was very cliche. I wish that they did something else with it in order to make it more of an incentive that most of the cast of characters would want to achieve.

There a reason why the term "kill your darlings" exist, because no matter how much you love them if removing them is necessary to make a better show, then so be it.

The first half of the season should've been the entire season. Stretch out all the plot points and give them room to breathe.

It’s Viv and her writing. She doesn’t think about her own story for longer than five minutes and just wings it.

It's ironic that we see more of humans on earth going to hell in Helluva Boss, even starting from episode 1.