Is salvation depended on the Oneness or Trinitarian view?

God bless brother Bernard🙏

The Bible never says we need to understand the Godhead to be saved. Modalists and Trinitarians are both Christians.

I love how you point out the fact that apostolics only baptized in the name of Jesus as if it's an interesting and New Concept. Even though every single one of the Apostles in every situation accounted for in the book of Acts always only baptized in the name of Jesus, and there is not one account of any of them baptizing saying, "in the name of the father Son and Holy Ghost." This is of course because when Yeshua told them to baptize in the name of the father Son and Holy Ghost, they clearly had the understanding and Revelation that Yeshua was the father Son and Holy Ghost.

Dr. Bernard did not say Trinitarians believed in three Spirits, he clearly said that Trinitarians don't...have a conscience experience of praying to three different Spirits. You misunderstood the point he was making. You said that Oneness rejects the distinction between the Father and the Son, but that is not true.

For the record, there is no way God can be just and justifier of the wicked (think Romans 3) unless He is a trinity. God the Father laid the sin of the people on His son and punished Him in their place (think Isaiah 53). Watch James White’s videos on trinitarian harmony in the atonement. All three persons are YHWH. God is one. Why would the Hebrews even need to use the Shema Yisrael to proclaim/clarify that? Another interesting point is that all three persons are credited with the raising of Jesus Christ from the dead at least once each in the NT. Lastly, if you believe in so called “oneness theology,” you necessarily have to believe that, in the “High Priestly Prayer” in John 17, Jesus was only praying to illustrate a point to His disciples who were listening. Enough with this “oneness” business. Here’s some extra credit: Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil; and now, he might reach out with his hand, and take fruit also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever” The LORD says to my Lord: “Sit at My right hand, Until I make Thine enemies a footstool for Thy feet.” I kept looking in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven one like a son of man was coming, and He came up to the Ancient of Days and was presented before Him. And to Him was given dominion, Honor, and a kingdom, so that all the peoples, nations, and populations of all languages might serve Him. And I will put My Spirit within you and bring it about that you walk in My statutes, and are careful and follow My ordinances. I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, so that He may be with you forever; the Helper is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him; but you know Him because He remains with you and will be in you. You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away, and I am coming to you.’ If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced because I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I. About the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “ELI, ELI, LAMA SABACHTHANI?” that is, “MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME?” Jesus said to her, “Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.” “Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.” In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

I lean more towards Trinity obviously, but I really don't think we are as different as we think, one group says Father, Son and Spirit are unique manifestations of One Divine Being, another says Father, Son and Spirit are unique persons of One Divine Being, the other says Father, Son and Spirit are unique manifestations of One Divine Being, either way we all believe Jesus Christ is Fully God and Fully Man, God who became flesh, who gave His life on the cross for our sins and who rose again. The most important thing is as Romans 10:9 says "That if you confess with your mouth Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart God raised him from the dead you will be saved!" I don't think Modalism completely identifies everything that's going on in the NT, but I also don't believe it's a damnable heresy and it's certainly more biblical than say trithiesm (Mormonism) or adoptionism (JW's).

One lord one faith ,one baptism (spiritual ) .one God and father of us all .

Isaiah 45:23 (KJV) I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

What about when Jesus prayed to God or when he cried out to him on the cross. Or when the Bible says Jesus sits next to God on his throne. I believe They are one yet different sprits. I could be wrong and I ask God to forgive if I am.

“Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:” — Deuteronomy 6:4 (KJV) “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.” — Isaiah 9:6 (KJV) “Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.” — Isaiah 12:2 (KJV) “And it shall be said in that day, Lo, this is our God; we have waited for him, and he will save us: this is the LORD; we have waited for him, we will be glad and rejoice in his salvation.” — Isaiah 25:9 (KJV) “I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.” — Isaiah 43:11 (KJV) Isaiah 45 (KJV) ²¹ Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. ²² Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. “For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.” — Isaiah 54:5 (KJV) “Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me.” — Hosea 13:4 (KJV) Psalms 22 (KJV) ¹⁶ For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet. ¹⁷ I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me. ¹⁸ They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture. “And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.” — Zechariah 12:10 (KJV) “But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.” — Micah 5:2 (KJV) “And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.” — Luke 1:47 (KJV) “Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,” — Luke 1:68 (KJV) John 1 (KJV) ¹ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.. “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.” — John 1:14 (KJV) John 8 (KJV) ²⁴ I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. ²⁵ Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning. ²⁶ I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him. ²⁷ They understood not that he spake to them of the Father. “Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.” — John 8:58 (KJV) “I and my Father are one.” — John 10:30 (KJV) “And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me.” — John 12:45 (KJV) John 13 (KJV) ³¹ Therefore, when he was gone out, Jesus said, Now is the Son of man glorified, and God is glorified in him. ³² If God be glorified in him, God shall also glorify him in himself, and shall straightway glorify him. John 14 (KJV) ⁶ Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. ⁷ If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. ⁸ Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. ⁹ Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? ¹⁰ Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. ¹¹ Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. John 17 (KJV) ⁵ And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. “And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.” — John 20:28 (KJV) “Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.” — Acts 20:28 (KJV) “Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,” — Romans 1:1 (KJV) “I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ;” — 1 Corinthians 1:4 (KJV) “The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.” — 1 Corinthians 15:47 (KJV) “In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.” — 2 Corinthians 4:4 (KJV) “For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.” — 2 Corinthians 4:6 (KJV) “To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.” — 2 Corinthians 5:19 (KJV) Colossians 1 (KJV) ¹⁵ Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: ¹⁶ For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: ¹⁷ And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. “For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.” — Colossians 2:9 (KJV) Hebrews 1 (KJV) ¹ God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, ² Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; ³ Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; “But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour;” — Titus 1:3 (KJV) “To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.” — Jude 1:25 (KJV) “Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.” — James 2:19 (KJV) “To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One.” — Isaiah 40:25 (KJV) “To whom will ye liken me, and make me equal, and compare me, that we may be like?” — Isaiah 46:5 (KJV) “Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:” — Philippians 2:6 (KJV) “And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.” — 1 Timothy 3:16 (KJV) “I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.” — Isaiah 45:23 (KJV) “For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.” — Romans 14:11 (KJV) Philippians 2 (KJV) ¹⁰ That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; ¹¹ And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. (KJV) Matthew 28:19, Luke 24:47, Acts 2:38, 4:12, 8:12, 8:16, 10:48, 19:5, 22:16

“Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.” ‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3‬:‭20‬ ‭KJV‬

Isaiah 46:10 (KJV) Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

I'm trying hard to understand and I've had a hard time doing so. 1. Yes, the Bible clearly distinguishes a Father/Son dynamic. But it's this "One God = 3 separate but equal persons" thing that really confuses me. To me, based on my understanding of the Bible, trinity really seems to contradict what the Bible says. John 1:1, 1 John 5:7, John 14:6, to name a few verses. It appears to me that the Father/Son dynamic is symbolic of the relationship between the omnipotent God and the Physical manifestation of Jesus. God is the "father" because he came first. He has always been; he is omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient. Jesus is the only begotten "son" because Jesus is the only one whom God would be manifested in flesh on the Earth. There is no other who will ever be the human manifestation of God. Therefore God the father loves him for that reason. Jesus is still God because his spirit is the living God manifest in flesh, to walk amongst his creation. That is why we see Jesus pray and fast. He is bringing the flesh, which is all man, into subjection to the spirit within him, which is all God. 2. Where in the Bible does it explicitly say that God is made of 3 distinct, separate, individual, beings? To me, based on what I have studied, it seems pretty concrete that the Bible shows that God is one and he embodies the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as one person. Scripture doesn't seem to suggest that there are three separate states of consciousness living inside God. They are simply titles given to God in hopes of better comprehending his omnipotence from a human perspective. I'm not trying to debate anyone. I want to understand. I want to know God, YHWH, The great I AM, Adonai, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. I don't want to be wrong. If you have scripture that can clearly support Trinity to me, I am willing to listen.

Please have a high quality video debate called: david bernard vs james white oneness vs trinity. I have seen your debates with many, but not with brother Bernard..

Who is the Holy Spirit hearing from in John 16:13? Who’s voice are they hearing in John 5:37?

Isaiah 48:11 (KJV) For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.

Isaiah 45:22 (KJV) Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.

Very nice! Grace, Peace, n LOVE to all the Elect, in The a HOLY [ONE].

Where can this excerpt of Bernard be found?

Bernard did not mean that trinitarians feel there are three spirits they get baptized with. He meant that trinitarians agree they did not get three spirits. I think you misunderstood him completely there.