Perfect chess opening: If AI solves chess | Hikaru Nakamura and Lex Fridman
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Published 2022-10-18
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All Comments (21)
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Full podcast episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJNvxYEcVAY Lex Fridman podcast channel: youtube.com/lexfridman Guest bio: Hikaru Nakamura is a chess super grandmaster and is currently the #1 ranked blitz chess player in the world. He is also one of the top chess streamers on Twitch and YouTube.
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E4, e5 is a draw with perfect play for sure. After White's strongest move, Ke2, Black has Ke7 which maintains symmetry.
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As someone who's never played chess before, I fully agree with everything Nakamura said.
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People are so obsessed with "solving" Chess, but if Chess were solved it wouldn't change anything about the ways humans play. Proof of this is in the endgame. We already have every endgame with 7 pieces or less solved (in tablebases). Yet even at the highest level, people mess up endgames all the time (see: Ian vs Magnus Game 6). Chess probably is a draw, but even if we knew that for sure, it wouldn't lose its magic OTB.
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After it's solved, they will add the knook to shake things up
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As someone that has never heard of chess before, I can confirm that E4 E5 is an instant draw
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Hikaru keeping to himself the fact that the bongcloud is a forced win for white Classic Hikaru
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Hans Niemann also knows this to be true. He felt it deep inside.
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It would be really funny if chess as it is now is a forced draw, but only because of 50-move rule.
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I remember when family guy used to make fun of this question mark inflection. Now every American speaks like that.
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Lex was missing that if one player deviates we would see a loss. It’s keeping it that ensures a draw
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Ive read that the number of possible chess games exceeds the number of particles in the universe. So even if we were able to use every particle to store one game, it wouldn’t be sufficient to solve the whole game. Didn’t find the source though, maybe that’s fake news
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The more we solve chess, the more draws we find. And anytime something tends towards something, that's the outcome we expect at infinity.
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That's the simple beauty of chess, starting positions are equal, fair, and perfect play means that you just keep this equality, advantages come only from mistakes, from imperfect (human) calculation!
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well i think it could also be like some rock paper scissor stuff, like each opening has a counter, but still many would prbbly lead to draws then
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Really love this. Great insight. Truly wonder if Chess will ever be hard-solved.
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Lex, what watch are you wearing here?
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Lex crowdsourcing his next algo
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Wouldn’t every game end with the first person to play winning rather than a draw?
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The lack of symmetry comes from white moving first, if there are two pieces in view of eachother, and white takes, symmetry is lost.
