Lugers in Thailand: The Siamese Artillery Luger

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In 1936 and 1937, Siam purchased a batch of several hundred new Luger pistols for the Bangkok Police, including 100 long-barreled lP08 Artillery Lugers. These were new production gun, but made with surplus WW1-era barrels, sights, and stocks. The Siamese serial numbers range from 3450v to 3553v. The guns are standard Mauser production, all dated 1936, similar to the purchases by Persia and Turkey around the same time. The one distinctive marking on the Siamese contract are local rack numbers added to the back oft he frame some time after World War Two - a circled lion’s head emblem and a 3-digit Thai number (this example translates to #278). Those rack numbers are not exclusive to the 1936 Lugers, as they are also seen on other pistols in Bangkok police service.

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All Comments (21)
  • @Frost-lp8su
    Hello, Ian. Thai here, I can't make out a lot of the writings on the stock (the handwriting is very rough and there's a lot that's illegible from the damage), but in the middle of the third line I can see "เลขที่ 2525" which means No. 2525. Then five lines down I can make out "April 88," presumably "April 2488." To note, we use the Buddhist calendar rather than the Christian calendar, so the month and year here would translate to April of 1945 in A.D.
  • @bcompany650
    The letter on the buttstock is so warn out that the only parts I can read is Pistol's number 3535 (in thai number the number 3 that wrote on it look like number 2) and april 2488 BE (1945 AD), my speculation that the latter is about the gun brief record because i saw a lot of date writing on it.
  • @5anjuro
    Happy Songkran everyone. Today is the Thai New Year. Edit: just to add on the Thai theme, handguns seem to be fairly common in the Kingdom, and there's a very wide variety of makes. Something I noticed on a recent stay in Chiang Mai, some of the local police had very old Walther PP and PPKs as their sidearm. Either nickel plated or with the blueing completely worn off.
  • My dad had a beautiful 1936 Luger that he purchased from his stockbroker, who was a Colonel in Germany during the war, where he obtained he gun with matching magazine too. He had me sell it so he could by a new Nikon. I always wanted that gun and to this day wish I had the money at the time to buy it.
  • @alexwest2573
    Captain Englehorn uses a Artillery Luger in Peter Jackson’s King Kong, 7 year old me thought that was the coolest thing.
  • @gunmasterdude
    The letters on the stock are 2 parts. First, the discription of the gun, ปืนสั้น --- ด้ามมีซองปืนพานท้ายไม้ หมายเลขที่ ๒๕๒๕ ( ๓๕๓๕? ) / --- ที่ --- ( Pistol --- the grip has wooden stock holster, or with holster Number 2525 ( 3535? ) / ---- at ---- And the second part is some sort of Import or recieve dates. Like รับไป --- ๔ เม.ย. ๘๘ (Recieved --- 4th of April 2488 BE / 1945 AD) and on the last line " รับ " translated to "Recieve". I looked at it for almost 30 minutes and still can't make out most of the words, the handwriting is too hard to read. I'll make some edits later if I see anything new.
  • @user-en9zo2ol4z
    The artillery Luger, is such a modern looking (futuristic, even) weapon. Realistically, in Thailand's climate, especially in the wet season, the leather wouldn't have lasted very long anyway.
  • The museums in Thailand often only show weapons from ancient history of the country before Napoleonic era. It is quite nice to actually see some from this period of history.
  • Hi Ian. I have a Siamese Artillery Luger with the frame marked DWM and 1918 behind the barrel. All serial numbers match with the exception of the barrel which is not dated. About the barrel: It appears to predate the rest of the gun since it has an adjustable front sight, which as I understand, adjustable front sights were discontinued after 1917. On the rear of the frame a circled lions head (called a "Naga") and three symbols in Sanskrit are stamped into the frame. The frame is marked 7503 in the A block. I was pleasantly surprised to see a video on this "Forgotten Weapon". If this gun could talk, it would be very interesting to know the journeys it took. I thoroughly enjoy your videos. Very informative!
  • @causewaykayak
    What a helpful group of commentators. Another informative & very entertaining production from FW. Thanks are Due 👍🏼
  • Remember as a kid in the late '60s drooling over a wooden box with the German Nazi insignias on it... And inside was the artillery Luger, round magazine, wooden stock, paperwork (in German) and leather belts. The shop owner owner wanted $200.00 for.it... MAN...🙁
  • @doragang
    Gun jesus fan from Thailand here, Thank you for reviewing such rare and valuable piece of firearm we don't even know it exist in our history. BTW upon additional text deciphering after @Frost-Ip8su this sticker seems to be inheritance documents from the original gun owner or the officer who had it in his possesion, which seems to fit since it was issued almost a decade after manufacturing year.
  • @user-kr7yh8vw9m
    Thank you for providing us with unique information about this particular Artillery Luger pistol, it makes its background very cool and interesting for its new owner.
  • Ethan I had a German Luger in that same configuration years ago. I could kick myself in the ass for selling it. I had no idea what those were worth. But that's when I was young and dumb. I have a friend that has a collection that you wouldn't believe. His guns are priceless. He even has guns you've never heard of. And I know he'd love to meet you. God bless brother 🙏