Eurovision Has a Jury Problem

See my issue with the jury is lack of diversity in style. Germany who was technically perfect for the genre of music it was got so few points from them. They need to look at their criteria again. Sorry I’m a bit bitter about it coming last.

I have nothing against Loreen personally, but the bitter aftertaste of this year's jury vote has kinda ruined her legacy for me.

Who is here also after Eurovision 2024?

As you said, there's no way a professional jury wouldn't vote Spain with such a concept, staging, chorography, dresses, pure quality of voice and difficulty of the music sheet and mix of folllore and modernism. There's no possible explanation and their criteria should be clarified. Beyond liking the song or not, it had pracically everything to get extremely well considered by a professional jury. Up from there, there's no way a sole option slayed with such a difference from the other songs. In fact, the beginning of the show, reminding the importance of Sweden winning to equal Ireland was more than fishy and unfair to the other contestants! Sorry, but terrible aftertaste with the jury...

What makes me so disappointed is not the win among juries, but the points difference. Did juries really love Tatoo so much more than other songs? The final made it even more clear that Tatoo was drown among other quality entries. It just FELT like a rigged show, no matter if it wasn't true.

i knew loreen was going to win the jury because it fits the standards that the jury put themselves: a modern, radio-friendly pop song, mostly sung in english. while i want juries to continue in the final, i am also an advocate for clean, precise criteria and more diversity in juries, because lord of the lost put an excellent show and they were punished by being too niche.

Norway is also a prime example of a significant imbalance between the jury and the public. Was Loreen really 288 points better than Norway? The jury gave Loreen 340 points and Norway 52 points. In the public vote, Norway received 216 points while Loreen got 243 points. Norway consistently ranks in the lower half of the jury points, but when the public vote comes in, they suddenly reach the top 5 or top 10. In 2019, KEiiNO received only 40 points from the jury but over 200 points from the public (which was the majority that year). This is just one example, but it is unfair to have such a significant difference. It is also unfair for all those who spend money on voting, only for a small group of jurors to hold considerably more power and often have differing opinions from the public.

The main problem is, if the juries of all europe are so aligned to all vote the same song up, we don't need eurovision anymore.

As a finnish person, I'm sad for other countries too than just for us. It felt like juries totally disregarded other great vocalists to give Loreen points. To name a few, France, Portugal and Estonia deserved more and I think their vocals were brought out better in their songs than Loreen's. It just felt unreal how much of a point difference there was between Loreen and others in jury points.

I feel that the power of the jury vote is disproportionate. If it was 30%, then it would feel more justified. Also by now, the jury vote feels a bit patronizing since it always goes in such a different direction than what the public wants. The jury is supposed to guarantee "quality" and "commercial mass appeal" but if songs are massively popular among the public vote, then shouldn't that equal to "commercial mass appeal"? I'm tired of music executives being in charge of what is being played on the radio and dominating platforms, when in fact most people's tastes are more ecclectic and personal than that.

It's wild that 185 people in the jury have the same voting power as all public voters. If you only take European voters into account, the jury has 4 million times more power than the public.

2024: A shit, here we go again.

A way to fix the juries is that they should just be more representative have music producers that specialises in all different genres. Make them larger and have 20 jurors for each country instead of 5 (I think that's the number right now).

I think the polarisation we saw this year is a problem. The jury gave Loreen a huge lead and because this was kind of expected the public had to vote massively for their favorite Finland. But then there are not that many points left for other acts. And so Germany for example got completely smashed despite having a decent song in my oppinion.

might as well repost this every year going forward 💀💀

Has anyone noticed how the voting costs for the maximum number of 20 votes differs greatly by country? In Finland it costs 20 euros In Sweden, 6.40 euros In Denmark, 2.60 euros In Estonia, 34 euros

Usually I am against conspiration theories, but seeing that the juries did not just give Loreen the highest points (which I understand), but effectively blocked every other song that could potentially get high popular vote (e.g. 14 juries (!) gave no points to Finland, even knowing that it is such a massive hit, and gave so few points to Spain that could have been a dark horse in the popular vote). I can't but think that it is all for the purpose. 128 jury members have ways more power than millions of public votes. This is sad.

I also think it is such a paradox that the ESC motto this year was "united by music" :) The crowd chanting cha-cha-cha while the hosts were announcing the jury results giving Finland no points at all was precious.

Österdahl really did score the biggest television event...he got boo-ed out of the existence

This year's Eurovision was a huge stinker. The Jury vote raised so many questions, it was baffling. Tattoo is a great song but for the Jury to give it such overwhelming lead to make the viewer votes pretty much obsolete is not something you should see.