The Status of the Lord’s Supper in the LCMS Rev. John Hill President of the Wyoming District LCMS

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Published 2024-06-22
The Status of the Lord’s Supper in the LCMS
Rev. John E. Hill
President of the Wyoming District LCMS
13th Annual ACELC Conference
A Fraternal Conversation: The State of Our Synod in 2024
Association of Confessing Evangelical Lutheran Congregations
Holy Cross Lutheran Church, Kansas City, MO
June 18-19, 2024

For a copy of the paper see:
drive.google.com/drive/folders/1uUkGXf73r33AYmBJN2…

All Comments (21)
  • This man is as clear as a bell and Confessional. He should be our next Synodical President!
  • @jefficiency
    Rev Hill’s words, tenor, encouragement, clarity, and strength are how I envision St. Paul addressed his beloved congregations, thank you! SDG
  • @Nonz.M
    Excellent presentation, Bishop Hill. All laymen and clergy should see this.
  • @JJ-dc7tt
    Unity in doctrine is necessary, but unity in worship is just as important. It is how the "unity of the Spirit and the bond of peace" is known. Few people read confessions, but every Christian worships, and is united to one another by worship which is of necessity Eucharistic.
  • Thank you Rev. Hill for your clear exposition of the LCMS view. I believe, and I could certainly be wrong, but the Catholic Church recognizes that there are some Lutheran bishops who have valid sacraments, the True Presence in this example, because they can trace their ordination back through a long line of validly ordained clerics back to the Apostolic age. The validity of the LCMS ordination presents more problems because there doesn't seem to be an unbroken Apostolic succession for the LCMS. Rev. Walther does not seem to been ordained validly. Perhaps you could clear this up for the benefit of all? Thanks.
  • So as a layman, what are we to do when closed communion isn't practiced and the pastor's wife leads the contemporary service? The claim is that the pastor is doing the preaching and sacraments so there's nothing wrong. I become the bad guy for bringing this up. What then?
  • @davidw.5185
    In my observations, the Roman Catholic and Orthodox laity have a higher commitment to and or great hunger for the Sacrament. I also agree that the threat to holding our doctrine has never been Rome or Constantinople. This fear has proved irrational. What has constantly pressed against the LCMS is various Arminian and Reformed theology. Just my two cents. (edited for typos)
  • If you're dealing with Christ's true Body and Blood, more precious than the temple or than the universe itself, why would you urge such caution and timidity in making changes where people discard Christ into the trash? Lex orandi lex est credendi.
  • This is a great video. My only question is, why do the words of institution NEED to he done melodically? Is there any scriptural requirement that it has to be done by chanting? If not, then it's just a personal or group preference.
  • @padredave53
    Bishop Hill did a great exposition and commentary of the Eucharist is celebrated. However, he lost me on who can read and distribute the Eucharist.
  • @suzziezhills
    I’m considering going to an nalc church cuz the local lcms we’ve belonged to is so diluted I see no difference. Just sad.
  • The real presence of Christ in the Eucharist (Roman and Orthodox) is not an abomination- it’s the ancient teaching of the Fathers.
  • @JJ-dc7tt
    You say, "purity of doctrine." But what about: purity of practice.
  • @cleob9956
    So sad that Lutherans, Catholics, Orthodox do not discern and accept the rest of us who are part of the Body of Christ. Edit: I’m sure many denominationalists do the same. I pray for our love for one another and our unity in the Truth to be actualized. Praying all stumbling blocks in self and others (including church practices) will be removed. Help us, our only Savior and Hope Jesus!
  • @figurefour633
    Catholic believes the Eucharist, is the Body, Blood,Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ truly and substantially Present!!!! Let’s get it correct!
  • ELCA still have communion...I guess in and of itself communiin does not do much. We really need to look at how the two groups differ to see what is really important.
  • There's still a few of the usual unexplained leaps that never get answered, such as his assertion that it's "clear" in the Bible that women cannot assist in distribution, but men can. Ehrm that's nowhere in the Bible. I can understand if your position is that if no one but a pastor can do so (though I don't agree), but if you're going to open it up to laity you're going to open it up to laity. And why is reserving the host for shut-ins an "abuse"? Also his remark about intinction - yet again another presumed "abuse" that on which the Bible is totally silent. If the idea is that because Jesus administered them separately so do we... Jesus also had a meal in between ("Again, after supper...") I don't see anyone making that a requirement.
  • @JJ-dc7tt
    Gluten free wafers are NOT bread, and as such unable to be consecrated, just like grape juice or "non-alcoholic" wine which cannot be consecrated. On three separate occasions the FC says "natural bread and natural wine". Moreover if you are to have communion rather than un-com-union all must eat of the same loaf, and drink from the same cup. No one gets to chose which loaf she will participate in.