Garand Thumb Ends 5.7X28mm
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Published 2024-01-08
Mike's Video: • We Test How Deadly the Legendary 5.7x...
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All Comments (21)
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Not that he needs any help from me, but Mike's Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5JTyDx7-rI&t=22s Also code "VSO" gets you 20% at MFT
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Never underestimate any round.
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The Garand Thumb video didn't "End 5.7". It was kind of a mixed bag with quotes like: "punching above it's weight", "pretty awesome", "like any round, 5.7 will f*ck you up", "I definitely wouldn't want to get shot with the 5.7 - it seems fairly effective from what I've seen.", and "the permanent cavity that it creates is pretty awesome", etc. Then at the end, GT says "This is slowly proving to be the most underwhelming round we've ever used". So, clear as mud. The 5.7 rounds he tested weren't really great ones, either.
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Didn’t the video just prove that bullet selection and accuracy is more important than anything. Cause from what I saw the 9mm also sucked until he went to the G9, especially when he compared a Speer gold dot 5.7 round to whatever it was in 9mm
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He only had Speer Gold Dot, and American Eagle ammo. Should have at least had some SS198 in the mix.
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5.7 is more accurate at further distances. That is an advantage!
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The Air Force had pretty good results with 5.7 out of a p90 against Jaff armor for years. So I guess its not a complete fail 🤷🏻♂️
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OMG 🤦🏼♂️…they tested Speer gold dot…slow and heavy. SS198LF I have chronograph over 2200FPS. BOTH CHANNELS have messed this comparison up…not saying 5.7 is the best round ever but this is false
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I want to add on the subject of rimfire reliability. It’s not so much the priming compound itself as it is how evenly it’s spread along the bottom of the rim. They’re mass produced and you’ll occasionally get cartridges where the compound wasn’t evenly spread across the bottom of the rim, and that’s what causes a lot of failures to fire. But yes I do agree, rimfires in a semi auto aren’t reliable enough to bet your life on.
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No replacement for shot placement
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My problem with Garand Thumb's video was that he was using watered down cartridges like the Spear Gold Dot. That said, the 5.7 is a niche cartridge with a niche use and I'm not trading my Glock 17 for one anytime soon.
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The p 90 was developed before the pistol, the pistol was developed to augment the carbine. Love your channel. I have a Jane's weapons from 1990 showing the p 90 .
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I have a CMMG Banshee pistol and a binary trigger. I have pistol uppers in 9mm and 5.7x28. I have more than 1000 rounds of various tests in each format with a large variety of ammunition in each caliber. With my tests, especially at distance, 5.7x28 gets more hits at distances out to 100 yards in binary mode. I agree that it is more expensive but prices have been coming down. It does have less recoil for weak off hand shooting scenarios while maintaining better accuracy than 9mm. I've used specialty ammo that exceeds 2500+ fps with 40gr monolithic rounds. They do have around 500lbft of energy and very good penetration in car doors, 2x4 and 4x4 wood, straight paths through 24" of gel and in a few tests, exceeded 16" after level 3 soft armor. It is a niche cartridge but isn't necessarily deserving of the hate. It isn't a glorified. 22 magnum, especially in pistol length barrels.
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5.7 isnt bad its advantages are weight, ammo capacity,recoil , armor penatration for all these reasons id have to go with a 5.7 in a combat scenario where these things are very important
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The big thing is that all these 'myths' come from AP 5.7 which is impossible to get anymore.
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It’s a fun cartridge and is like you said, a more powerful .22 magnum. I choose 300 Blackout for my self-defense rifles and 9mm/10mm for my handguns. Those .22 cal bullets can only expand so much at the end of the day.
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Even with the unobtainable AP 5.7, the round itself was designed to be shot from the p90 or longer barrel variants vs these handguns chambered in 5.7. It's like using a 7.5" AR with federal 40gr or even 55gr and heavier(not sure of those ballistics out of a 7.5" barrel except for velocity
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At the end of a day, a bullet is a bullet. They 'all' can kill, and many calibers (even 9mm) can take multiple shots to do the job. When it is all said and done, you pick what you are 'comfortable' using, and can use effectively. Personally, i have the 5.7x28 and i plan to keep it. Because i 'like' how it fires flat, doesn't snap as bad for me, and the less-snappiness allows me to fire it faster and still retain accuracy. My EDC and the "bump in the night" AR-pistol i have are both in 5.7x28. I have a Ruger SFAR in 308 for anything bigger i need (like hunting or such).
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I love the 5.7, for a reloader of 28 calibers it is just another case to play with, no one cartridge does it all and I don’t understand why so many guys will complain they come out with a new cartridge, like they did with the 6,5creed.
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If youre looking to get the best 5.7 ammo and think its from a big box store youre doing it wrong. Mike should have used elite ammo, vanguard outfitters, etc for testing. Those arent wonder bullets but much better energy than what was used.
