Sarah C. M. Paine - WW2, Taiwan, Ukraine, & Maritime vs Continental Powers

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Published 2023-10-04
I learned so much from Sarah Paine, Professor of History and Strategy at the Naval War College.

We discuss:

- how continental vs maritime powers think and how this explains Xi & Putin's decisions
- how a war with China over Taiwan would shake out and whether it could go nuclear
- why the British Empire fell apart, why China went communist, how Hitler and Japan could have coordinated to win WW2, and whether Japanese occupation was good for Korea, Taiwan and Manchuria
- plus other lessons from WW2, Cold War, and Sino-Japanese War
- how to study history properly, and why leaders keep making the same mistakes

Apple Podcasts: podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sarah-c-m-paine-how-…
Spotify: open.spotify.com/episode/073V9sl5GLf7R0JlMSFdK7?si…
Transcript: www.dwarkeshpatel.com/p/sarah-paine

Follow me on Twitter for updates on future episodes: twitter.com/dwarkesh_sp
Buy Sarah Paine's books: www.amazon.com/stores/S.-C.-M.-Paine/author/B001HC…

Timestamps
(0:00:00) - Grand strategy
(0:11:59) - Death ground
(0:23:19) - WW1
(0:39:23) - Writing history
(0:50:25) - Japan in WW2
(0:59:58) - Ukraine
(1:10:50) - Japan/Germany vs Iraq/Afghanistan occupation
(1:21:25) - Chinese invasion of Taiwan
(1:51:26) - Communists & Axis
(2:08:34) - Continental vs maritime powers

All Comments (21)
  • @kraigadams
    saw a short, watched this full thing. regret nothing
  • @davidyang3067
    The fact that host he talks about death numbers in WW2 as if they were numbers on paper, while the lady talks about it with respect and a sense of unease shows that she knows much better about that horrifying part of history in Europe and Asia.
  • The professor snatched a good interview out of the jaws of these questions.
  • @derrickmarais
    Whenever the moderator asks a Zeihan style speculative question and she just says "I don't know". I appreciate that.
  • @mattp.4329
    I had forgotten what it was like to actually learn things from a person who actually wants to teach them
  • @ChairmanMeow1
    This women has two PHDs in Russian culture, and Chinese culture. An MIA from Columbia in Public Affairs, and an MA in Russian language. She also writes and works for the US Naval War College. She knows her stuff!!!
  • @rayhayne
    There's been a backlash on 'experts' for the past few years. I miss them. This woman is amazing. I might have enjoyed history at school if I knew this kind of passion and knowledge existed.
  • I am Polish - what she said about Eastern Europe and NATO is 100% true! We cannot not live our lives because of how Russians feel.
  • The depth of this woman's historical understanding and it's accompanying context is nothing short of awe inspiring. What a brilliant human. Thank you to everyone responsible for making this publicly available. It was genuinely a public service. Gratitude.
  • @thomasesau2376
    I sincerely wish (hope) that Dr Paine could have a weekly (or monthly) video for YouTube. This is the most cogent, articulate, and intelligent lecture on Global Strategic concepts that I've ever heard. It makes me wish The Naval War College had a community college off sight night classes.
  • @rhd-cb5tr
    Professor Sarah C. M. Paine is clearly one of the most intelligent, knowledgeable, and articulate person in the world. First, she properly states the issues, ignoring the original (poorly stated) question. Second, the depth of her knowledge is breathtaking. Third, the answers are clearly stated with the key details.
  • @Khangel
    “I can make bad spelling errors in numerous languages”. Her comment on reading source materials in the original languages. So much respect for her!
  • @evillemike2009
    There's nothing better than having somebody who really knows her subject explain important stuff to me. Best 2 ½ hours I've spent in while.
  • @svitlana1500
    This woman is incredible. I am Ukrainian, and everything she said about Ukraine is incredibly accurate, which gives me confidence in trusting her opinions and conclusions about other countries she discussed. Thank you for bringing Sara Paine to YouTube. However, the interviewer seems to have a learning curve ahead of him, but it's a good start. I would suggest he ask fewer 'What if' questions and better connect his questions with Sara's previous answers. It seems like he had a prepared list of questions and didn't adjust them regardless of Sara's responses. Additionally, the interviewer inserted many personal opinions and giggles into his questions, which was distracting. Regardless of that, it is absolutely worth spending 2.5 hours listening to Sara Paine talking.
  • @piotrpekala7641
    After listening to Tucker Carlson's conversation with Alexander Dugin- which nearly gave me a brain cancer- I've found this interview particularly refreshing and curing.
  • @DannyBoy443
    The most insightful thing she said is hearing her correct him in saying "Well, lets not call it stupid because that writes off their reasoning" That's MASSIVE maturity. That's the stuff Bob Iger starts w/ if you buy him lunch for an hour of his time lol.
  • @vivianbenge2331
    This interviewer seems intent on asking 'what if' questions rooted in fantasy and lack of historical knowledge and political understanding. Dr. Paine does a great job of bringing it back to the real processes and concepts that are foundational to understanding.
  • I love Dr. Paine. In this video I love that so many answers starting with caveat, " A) I don't know, B) [In depth opinion]"
  • Prof. Sarah Paine is a GEM! Good Lord who has been hiding this amazing woman?!! :octopus-red-waving: