Which 4 SEASON CAMP SLEEP MAT? THERMAREST XTHERM nxt MAX vs SEATOSUMMIT XT EXTREME- Megatest!
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Published 2024-03-09
Thermarest kindly sent me this for review, but my opinions and experiences are my own.
0:00 Intro
01:49 Pack size & technology
03:38 Noise, comfort, apparent warmth
06:54 Wild camp impressions
08:39 Lab pressure testing
11:27 Heat retention testing
18:40 Summary
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All Comments (16)
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Really great video. I enjoyed your testing very much
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Well done. I love to see more objective testing.
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Science and modern camping equipment š. Two of my favourite topics š¬šš¼šš¼
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Really nice attempt to get under the skin of these two competitors. Well done! I use the Sea to Summit Comfort Plus R4.0. Itās really comfortable, but also provides redundancy against failure on a cold mountain through independent layers. But itās not warm enough for winter so I also carry sections of Z Liteā¦ all in all a luxurious but heavy solution. Maybe I should get an X Therm and š¤ no mat failure?
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Big difference in these mattresses for me is the price. Themarest is close to double the price here in New Zealand, so i settled for the sea to summit. That 3 degree difference seems fair in price. Cheers for the videos. [Edit, just read the comment below. Still stand by it though for the price difference]
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That's a very interesting and clever way to test mats Dave. One thing that i noticed with the Nxt that i didn't notice with the original Xtherm was that by the time i deflated it to the point which suited me the most was that if i sat on it or knelt then i would touch the ground very easily and another plus and also the reason that i now prefer the Nemo Tensor Extreme conditions is that i only have to deflate it ever so slightly to give me that whole body fit if that make sense and i do not feel the ground when i sit or kneel on it. Theres not a great deal of discussion when it comes to deflating to whatever level f comfort thats required on any of the mats but then thats too much of a personal / individual preference i guess.
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The sea to summit is Way more noisy when you are tossing and turningā¦.. No other Channels are adressing this.
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I understand there's calls for the official test to change. Some do well when there's no movement on the mat but when you move it loses heat, or you need to warm up the new spot you are lying on. This seems to be the S2S? While others are not as affected by the person's movement (Thermarest)? Good review, very interesting. Thanks.
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Yours is a fair test, keeping in mind that pads do not heat on their own. That eventually, both water bottles should settle to the same temperature. Therefore, what's being measured is thermal-delay, not 'warmth of the pads.' 3Ā°C is significant thermal-delay. Otherwise, to make a better test would mean an expensive test setup like ASTM's (or whoever certifies "R" values). Your test is fine, because what you care about is how fast heat escapes through to the ground and your thermal-delay test gives a relative measure of that performance factor. In other words, 3Ā°C shouldn't be looked at as a minor difference that one might expect one pad to be merely 3Ā°C colder, but that one pad sucks that much more energy all night long.
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Love my large 25ā thermarest.although Iāve heard some great reviews of the Kilos gear mat for comfort,not as comfy the new one though.š
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Lovely video Dave! Iām awaiting delivery of the xtherm, so this was well timed! I do like my Rab 5.5 mat, itās lovely and warm and extremely comfortable. Itās one thing Iād love thermarest to adopt feature is the longitudinal cells with the larger edge cells. I simply never roll off the Rab, whereas I always roll off my thermarest topo luxā¦ but that could be just because itās so thick!! Definitely a car camping one! The Rab is also a bit weighty and a complete bu**er to get back in its āburrito ā pouch! Maybe shout Rab to see if theyāll give you an Ionosphere or stratosphere 5.5 to test against? Love your lab room.. what do you do for your day job (says the geek in me, eyeing up the chart on the wall and trying to figure out what itās forā¦!)
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Great intel! Would love to see how the Thermarest compares to the Nemo Tensor extreme since they boast an 8.5 r value but have different baffling systems.
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Sea to summit needs to be fully inflated to get maximum loft on the insulation. The results where spot on. I guess with your weight means there is less loft so much colder. I uses a sheet with the S2S and its very quite but its too big the wide one so im looking to change like shame really
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Light Tour R5.8 will be the best budget choice
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would you be interested to test/review the mat by EXPED, called "Dura 8R Lw", against the hyped thermarest ?