A Catholic, Protestant, Atheist and Agnostic Discuss the Problem of Evil

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The problem of evil is one of the most difficult challenges facing a theist who wishes to defend the existence of a good god. In this episode of the Cosmic Skeptic Podcast, Alex is joined by Joe Schmid, an agnostic, Cameron Bertuzzi, a protestant, and Trent Horn, a catholic, to discuss the problem in detail, and analyse various responses to it.

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Cameron Bertuzzi: youtube.com/c/CapturingChristianity

Trent Horn: youtube.com/c/TheCounselofTrent

Joe Schmid: youtube.com/c/MajestyofReason



Cameron’s discussion with Philip Goff:    • Are Atheists in Denial About Fine-Tun...  

My debate with Trent on God's existence:    • DEBATE: God's Existence - Trent Horn ...  

My video on Stephen Law's evil god challenge:    • Could God Be Evil?  

Trent's debate with Matt Dillahunty on the Resurrection:    • Is belief in the Resurrection reasona...  

Better Never To Have Been, by David Benatar: amzn.to/3NFsPOa


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0:00 Intro
1:16 Is God's Power Limited?
16:15 Evidential vs Logical Problem of Evil
25:53 The Problem of Animal Suffering
42:23 Skeptical Theism
50:22 Does God Have to be Good?
56:23 Higher Order Goods and The Experience Machine
1:04:20 Comparing Theodicies with Antinatalism
1:10:38 Closing Thoughts

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All Comments (21)
  • People who think evil is there to teach us lessons have been incredibly lucky to experience so little evil that they think its a game.
  • @EljinRIP
    "Sometimes I've seen animals in videos being ripped apart and they look so peaceful" Yea and I've seen cartel videos of drug dealers chain sawing each others legs off and they "look so peaceful", it's called SHOCK. It occurs during trauma and blood loss.
  • I'm seeing a lot of comments on the quality of various arguments, but I just want to make sure we acknowledge how great it is to have 4 people with very different views on the topic discussing it in both a direct and respectful manner. Kudos to all involved on keeping everything friendly, despite how heated this topic can get (even just in the comments on this video).
  • A Catholic, Protestant, Atheist and Agnostic walk into a bar. The barman asks, "so what will it be?". The Catholic asks for a glass of red wine, the Protestant asks for a beer, the atheist wants to be rationally minded so sticks to drinking water, and the agnostic cannot make up his mind. So the atheist turns to ask him "so what are you having?", to which the agnostic replies "an existential crisis....."
  • @Lukaaas146
    A Catholic, Protestant, Atheist and Agnostic walk into a bar to discuss the problem of evil. The bartender picks up his shotgun and shoots the the atheist, the agnostic and the catholic. The Protestant (Bertuzzi) replies: 'Thank God things like these happen, now I can show compassion.' Thanks for likes lol. But pls don't hate on Bertuzzi. It was a joke.
  • @dayhaysuper3639
    In a world where bravery and evil doesn't exist, bravery can be seen as a good thing, but it's more of a reaction in spite of evil. When evil terrorizes all of us every day, I can personally say bravery is the least of my concerns. I don't want a brave child with stage 4 bone cancer. I want a child with no bone cancer without the medal of bravery.
  • Alex’s response to the idea that evil exists so that certain goods can exist is great. I’ve often thought the same thing, although haven’t ever articulated it that well. As Benjamin the donkey in Animal Farm puts it: “God gave me a tail to keep away the flies, but I’d sooner have had no tail - and no flies.”
  • @Stepbrohelp
    I really did try to like Cameron. I’ve listened to him talk on plenty of subjects, but I just can’t ever seem to agree with him on anything, and can’t even see where he’s coming from. I’m 1 minute in and he already has claimed that he thinks the world is better for having slavery and overcoming it than it would be for not having slavery at all, and that animals are sometimes at peace when they are violently being ripped to shreds. And to think this same guy wants to champion his position as the bastion of morality.
  • "You being oppressed all your life and dying horribly and unfairly is worth it because someone might write a play about it later that makes me cry" is a pretty wild way to justify suffering.
  • @TonyKeeh
    This is so awesome. Debates have their place, but I think truth is more readily found when people are just discussing like this. I don't think I've seen content like this, or at the very least, I've only seen it rarely. Please do more of these.
  • @cuthip
    “I’d rather have racism so we can have MLK” is CLEARLY the take of someone who doesn’t personally suffer from racism.
  • There’s nothing more evil than the idea that someone else should suffer without meaning to make my like feel more meaningful.
  • One of the most edifying discussions on this topic that I’ve heard. Please do more with these guys!
  • This was a great conversation. I like how open you all are to the other's thoughts. I would love more of this.
  • Cameron saying hundreds of years of slavery and racism is worth it so one dude can be brave enough to stop it just shows how out of touch he is
  • @xensonar9652
    So black people getting lynched is just a character building exercise for those who didn't get lynched. They were just props in someone else's story. Seems like Main Character syndrome to me.
  • @oliveblake8154
    I need more of this. PLEASE PLEASE do a second one! So many great insights!
  • @FakingANerve
    This was a good conversation with a fantastic wrap up. Well done, and like many have already said, I hope to see more of this! 🍻