"The Life & Death of htmx" by Alexander Petros at Big Sky Dev Con 2024

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Published 2024-06-09

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All Comments (21)

@sabuein 10 hours ago

Thank you.
@PieterWigboldus 1 month ago

I like the idea of HTMX, to just make things easy to work, without the overkill of e.g. React. Keep it simple and easy.
@steveoc64 1 month ago

Another win with HTMX is that it’s got absolutely nothing to do with adding “AI” to all the things
@JordanShurmer 1 month ago

Excellent talk! Let's get a formal proposal made
@sohangchopra6478 1 month ago

Good talk. Also I didn't know you can target an in "target" attribute of <a> - that seems quite useful!! </div> </article> </li> <li class="comment" id="comment-Ugyzy7P2PYpGDANtp4Z4AaABAg"> <a href="/c/yt/UCTiPe489VPO6iqpHngGILAQ" class="vc-facepic"> <img src="https://yt3.ggpht.com/71sOS7s3ejtyrTrqRLIxOq0OdySbrMJJZMEoqGYvJpo0Svu1OdigZ3qW7fMlpf5snf7Bnw25Uw=s88-c-k-c0x00ffffff-no-rj" width="48" height="48" referrerpolicy="no-referrer"> </a> <article class="vc-content"> <div class="vc-meta"> <a href="/c/yt/UCTiPe489VPO6iqpHngGILAQ" class="vc-author"> @tommywest6885 </a> <time class="vc-posted"> 1 month ago </time> </div> <div class="vc-body"> Alex is a network of talent </div> </article> </li> <li class="comment" id="comment-UgxMykcQGZnQIpWgLhh4AaABAg"> <a href="/c/yt/UCg79Mz3A4tlkSlp1ASuAJ0A" class="vc-facepic"> <img src="https://yt3.ggpht.com/ytc/AIdro_mqQw2A2Ki4WjLizYge6D1gl7-DiSt91uVb6jHE3VGxaA=s88-c-k-c0x00ffffff-no-rj" width="48" height="48" referrerpolicy="no-referrer"> </a> <article class="vc-content"> <div class="vc-meta"> <a href="/c/yt/UCg79Mz3A4tlkSlp1ASuAJ0A" class="vc-author"> @margosdesarian </a> <time class="vc-posted"> 21 days ago </time> </div> <div class="vc-body"> Hey i was in that park yesterday! </div> </article> </li> <li class="comment" id="comment-UgyKZTj9BC3y9heE35d4AaABAg"> <a href="/c/yt/UCeoR3VHExUCQCoXfwmDHiDQ" class="vc-facepic"> <img src="https://yt3.ggpht.com/BJz8XG9YnCiznne-sXeFlupo6_mgI9_Pd2Bz2dxOSafCTP6jZGDdDSucYKnVohjrme0M0-UDLuw=s88-c-k-c0x00ffffff-no-rj" width="48" height="48" referrerpolicy="no-referrer"> </a> <article class="vc-content"> <div class="vc-meta"> <a href="/c/yt/UCeoR3VHExUCQCoXfwmDHiDQ" class="vc-author"> @TeDynef </a> <time class="vc-posted"> 21 days ago </time> </div> <div class="vc-body"> When HTMX conf? </div> </article> </li> <li class="comment" id="comment-UgwxvBJyP19PxifWN0p4AaABAg"> <a href="/c/yt/UC-k7Z8DLck6obzi7_nQY2XA" class="vc-facepic"> <img src="https://yt3.ggpht.com/BwgEOBr2QjIxlQzR3l9aVKYwFlibK87uOVuquQy0vSUiLhr0LkmKzSNaJC2UxfW__UicgOQDsw=s88-c-k-c0x00ffffff-no-rj" width="48" height="48" referrerpolicy="no-referrer"> </a> <article class="vc-content"> <div class="vc-meta"> <a href="/c/yt/UC-k7Z8DLck6obzi7_nQY2XA" class="vc-author"> @LukeWatts85 </a> <time class="vc-posted"> 21 days ago </time> </div> <div class="vc-body"> Not sure anyone uses put correctly in their rest apis according to this. Every framework out there seems to just use post or put for what should be a patch </div> </article> </li> <li class="comment" id="comment-UgxkgzRg2vozFirdzoJ4AaABAg"> <a href="/c/yt/UClDpOTiYwKeRCbIl7usEPAA" class="vc-facepic"> <img src="https://yt3.ggpht.com/A757m3JhXGGdjYXHq81wT1bjbFHoZqg9z5OrDDe04_M1k_AbkPHFsp-ifuQ0EQXBtUGSmkxx=s88-c-k-c0x00ffffff-no-rj" width="48" height="48" referrerpolicy="no-referrer"> </a> <article class="vc-content"> <div class="vc-meta"> <a href="/c/yt/UClDpOTiYwKeRCbIl7usEPAA" class="vc-author"> @modernkennnern </a> <time class="vc-posted"> 1 month ago </time> </div> <div class="vc-body"> <a href="/watch?v=inRB6ull5WQ&t=860" data-onclick="jump_to_time" data-jump-time="860">14:20</a> buttons don't need them. Just wrap it in a form and add a submit handler... But for that we need put, delete, etc.. </div> </article> </li> <li class="comment" id="comment-UgwovDbp9_7y_jDuNF94AaABAg"> <a href="/c/yt/UCey4mOP7BmW1cIophd-to6A" class="vc-facepic"> <img src="https://yt3.ggpht.com/ytc/AIdro_mHnTqTwWKrQyxxs0d2wlntsgidt6hxxZ7nO2Srm3Wk4w=s88-c-k-c0x00ffffff-no-rj" width="48" height="48" referrerpolicy="no-referrer"> </a> <article class="vc-content"> <div class="vc-meta"> <a href="/c/yt/UCey4mOP7BmW1cIophd-to6A" class="vc-author"> @thedelanyo </a> <time class="vc-posted"> 21 days ago </time> </div> <div class="vc-body"> POST should be named CREATE in the first place imho 😅😅😅😅 </div> </article> </li> <li class="comment" id="comment-UgxrvJOBc7NgzLOFpMt4AaABAg"> <a href="/c/yt/UC-CFN8yHF5a2aUY9rNhIgDg" class="vc-facepic"> <img src="https://yt3.ggpht.com/ytc/AIdro_k4qJ8DUSsz8s8pX5-9n-iD9hXlses92BWXvBsXg8LWEw=s88-c-k-c0x00ffffff-no-rj" width="48" height="48" referrerpolicy="no-referrer"> </a> <article class="vc-content"> <div class="vc-meta"> <a href="/c/yt/UC-CFN8yHF5a2aUY9rNhIgDg" class="vc-author"> @qm3ster </a> <time class="vc-posted"> 11 days ago </time> </div> <div class="vc-body"> Nooo dont make me use the platform 😭 I just want to write Solid </div> </article> </li> <li class="comment" id="comment-UgxzOl2VXK89FPjkFgx4AaABAg"> <a href="/c/yt/UCHEfAGn43nNBw3_Mf9i_xyA" class="vc-facepic"> <img src="https://yt3.ggpht.com/hIbFBiYIpbLzpROoChyZq_kv0DOSfLB-9OqLoEhikCaXXk1SzJiXdPWZXNitOHJz7To6i5ucWQ=s88-c-k-c0x00ffffff-no-rj" width="48" height="48" referrerpolicy="no-referrer"> </a> <article class="vc-content"> <div class="vc-meta"> <a href="/c/yt/UCHEfAGn43nNBw3_Mf9i_xyA" class="vc-author"> @spoonikle </a> <time class="vc-posted"> 21 days ago </time> </div> <div class="vc-body"> Want Infinite scroll? HTMX Want theme switching? HTMX Want user profiles and app settings? HTMX </div> </article> </li> <li class="comment" id="comment-UgxtpvOV8_Al7wxKYXl4AaABAg"> <a href="/c/yt/UCZn9MMUl6sG1-T1R2t4A5jw" class="vc-facepic"> <img src="https://yt3.ggpht.com/ytc/AIdro_mILJq5rsR7biZOOkJFhccD8kQ0L7r8LEia58YJ6ry5DEI=s88-c-k-c0x00ffffff-no-rj" width="48" height="48" referrerpolicy="no-referrer"> </a> <article class="vc-content"> <div class="vc-meta"> <a href="/c/yt/UCZn9MMUl6sG1-T1R2t4A5jw" class="vc-author"> @mma93067 </a> <time class="vc-posted"> 14 days ago </time> </div> <div class="vc-body"> What we need is native partial support in the standard. The moment browsers can automatically reconcile partials, it’s reset the market like react did to jquery. We already have the technical ability as view transitions api does something like that already. It replaces parts of the existing page with the result of the request. </div> </article> </li> <li class="comment" id="comment-Ugx5_cJ50-6GlxtSkCJ4AaABAg"> <a href="/c/yt/UCPeK_BJ4wuJmATFkmn6_RkA" class="vc-facepic"> <img src="https://yt3.ggpht.com/ytc/AIdro_mUPQiFC6Tw0WwaI79CzOan9uSURYE9oNYxfC6geYoW1go=s88-c-k-c0x00ffffff-no-rj" width="48" height="48" referrerpolicy="no-referrer"> </a> <article class="vc-content"> <div class="vc-meta"> <a href="/c/yt/UCPeK_BJ4wuJmATFkmn6_RkA" class="vc-author"> @ILyaCyclone </a> <time class="vc-posted"> 2 days ago </time> </div> <div class="vc-body"> Can we talk about the fact that htmx element apparently expects an html response from the server while we are all used to respond with json? I don't see how all rendering logic can go back to server. What if, say, we need to display returned result differently according to some ui-checkbox being checked or not? </div> </article> </li> <li class="comment" id="comment-UgxidEqu3dSa6HdmHVF4AaABAg"> <a href="/c/yt/UCem7RypzaVEiiVUKM3SNYLg" class="vc-facepic"> <img src="https://yt3.ggpht.com/ytc/AIdro_lC2OVYWFU8xXIDW8wo37KXElUQf3AXaGIEl__VrPfe=s88-c-k-c0x00ffffff-no-rj" width="48" height="48" referrerpolicy="no-referrer"> </a> <article class="vc-content"> <div class="vc-meta"> <a href="/c/yt/UCem7RypzaVEiiVUKM3SNYLg" class="vc-author"> @echobucket </a> <time class="vc-posted"> 1 month ago </time> </div> <div class="vc-body"> If button can make requests, why can't any form element do it? Like <input> or <select> ? </div> </article> </li> <li class="comment" id="comment-Ugzwd2nj31UB5jLjeht4AaABAg"> <a href="/c/yt/UCSoxbY_Yc9i_n9xhgo49mvg" class="vc-facepic"> <img src="https://yt3.ggpht.com/ytc/AIdro_mkDAOt_ITGVnUp-qsGzaP556kQI7u4OtSIlQ7IAe__RXM=s88-c-k-c0x00ffffff-no-rj" width="48" height="48" referrerpolicy="no-referrer"> </a> <article class="vc-content"> <div class="vc-meta"> <a href="/c/yt/UCSoxbY_Yc9i_n9xhgo49mvg" class="vc-author"> @LarryGarfieldCrell </a> <time class="vc-posted"> 14 days ago </time> </div> <div class="vc-body"> Something that's no clear to me. If html can do native partial page updates, how does the server keep track of whether it should send back a full page or a fragment? That's a necessary part of the picture, and it wasn't addressed here. I love everything in this talk aside from that question. :-) </div> </article> </li> <li class="comment" id="comment-UgzzMUm-Is6CgAxpQh94AaABAg"> <a href="/c/yt/UChBBzv1bGCE6Uu7fJakqN1g" class="vc-facepic"> <img src="https://yt3.ggpht.com/ytc/AIdro_k65DZsAHQBUnAuOxSZT7r9fAk4iy8_eNYr_aT6LrBfoCwrcS85Lh9VOPaGRI17GotdtA=s88-c-k-c0x00ffffff-no-rj" width="48" height="48" referrerpolicy="no-referrer"> </a> <article class="vc-content"> <div class="vc-meta"> <a href="/c/yt/UChBBzv1bGCE6Uu7fJakqN1g" class="vc-author"> @deatho0ne587 </a> <time class="vc-posted"> 1 month ago </time> </div> <div class="vc-body"> Button: logout > JS or wrap in an A tag. I hate it and it should just be a button with doFunc or submit </div> </article> </li> <li class="comment" id="comment-UgwNh-LDtb7nwlMJTxp4AaABAg"> <a href="/c/yt/UCl8J_XVyBklBxrIu5yIS5Ng" class="vc-facepic"> <img src="https://yt3.ggpht.com/ytc/AIdro_ncYkVFIshWsDOmWFCUNZYe_fsuRZ9nfYZNo5E9q-o=s88-c-k-c0x00ffffff-no-rj" width="48" height="48" referrerpolicy="no-referrer"> </a> <article class="vc-content"> <div class="vc-meta"> <a href="/c/yt/UCl8J_XVyBklBxrIu5yIS5Ng" class="vc-author"> @meyou118 </a> <time class="vc-posted"> 1 month ago </time> </div> <div class="vc-body"> looks like a green screen stage? </div> </article> </li> <li class="comment" id="comment-UgxthDDIBqTkSfgFRCh4AaABAg"> <a href="/c/yt/UCfWQ01PNzYhi_aC-bwzZFMQ" class="vc-facepic"> <img src="https://yt3.ggpht.com/ytc/AIdro_lTsn_SEf4XL2vXIaaoqLUud5NQ9oq-8qVva6nli6qHfYKIw450e_k2BCXQMQ4EGZfOvw=s88-c-k-c0x00ffffff-no-rj" width="48" height="48" referrerpolicy="no-referrer"> </a> <article class="vc-content"> <div class="vc-meta"> <a href="/c/yt/UCfWQ01PNzYhi_aC-bwzZFMQ" class="vc-author"> @buddy.abc123 </a> <time class="vc-posted"> 1 month ago </time> </div> <div class="vc-body"> Great talk! I'm waiting for someone to build a good component library that plays nice with HTMX then I migrate </div> </article> </li> <cont-def data-id="Eg0SC2luUkI2dWxsNVdRGAYywwIKqwJnZXRfcmFua2VkX3N0cmVhbXMtLUNxY0JDSUFFRlJlMzBUZ2FuQUVLbHdFSTJGOFFnQVFZQnlLTUFidFNkSGMydHI4TVRJc1p3RjZsS3pSa0xKWktCZmZRc2VJZFVLREk0SEJXWHQ5MEEwX3lUZ09NRktiemxmWGJmY0lDUXJaVHZUTXpSTmZwaWlxMWtGN1JsOFZaS2F3d1VVM19QNkRJOVlhM0RRTDFsNnAzMFZIdnlCakNRTmRpbDh5MnBLNFFlNzgtWUtGay1VZWdIVFJQelRiVkhYQzl6SUxzWlpCUTUwZjRoVFRIaDFqZFRvT0RxOEVERUJRU0JRaW9JQmdBRWdVSWlTQVlBQklGQ0ljZ0dBQVNCUWlJSUJnQUVnY0loU0FRRkJnQkdBQSIRIgtpblJCNnVsbDVXUTAAeAEoKA%3D%3D"></cont-def> </ul> <div class="comments-show-more-wrapper"> <button class="ui-button" id="comments-show-more"> Show more </button> </div> </details> </div> </div> <aside class="w8-sidebar"> <section class="w8-sidebar-content"> <ins class="adsbygoogle" style="display:block" data-ad-client="ca-pub-7366935910744567" data-ad-slot="8611129712" data-ad-format="auto" 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