Aion 3 ~ The Shadow: The Most Terrifying Idea in Psychology

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Seventeen years ago,I lost the best job I ever had, my marriage, and my home all at the same time. That great upheaval was the beginning of the greatest period of personal growth in my life.

On spirituality: While spiritual bypassing and toxic positivity is common in the west, this isn't how buddhism or any of the major eastern philosophies operate. Meditation for example is the very act of allowing the subconscious and shadow to rise up and be accepted and integrated. If you're not doing this, you're simply not doing the practice.

"The Shadow is ... not universally evil, [but rather] ... universally opposite." - ☆☆☆☆

"The tree that goes up to heaven has it's roots in hell. " You cannot percieve the universal union within yourself without looking and accepting first the parts of yourself that you don't like and project on the world. As long as you don't see the evil in yourself you'll always be short of one half of the Union.

One thing I don't like about Peterson's take on the shadow is the he seems to beileve that evil is ontological and not relative, which I think is extremely dangerous because that's exactly how the shadow operates: it gets you to divorce yourself from your own evil so that, in that lack of awareness, it can possess you.

Haha if you're dropping acid to 'avoid the bad things and focus on the good' then you just aren't taking enough!

I Just died at both of your "ITS NO JOKE" Jordan Peterson thingy. Love you guys

I enjoyed the part about thinking you know everything... realizing you truly know nothing is where wisdom can be born because only then can you honestly start seeking out answers (and brutal honesty can be a truly terrifying facet to come into contact with). And then when you find such answers they are no longer such identity-defining or solid possessions, but instead more fluid concepts which seem to make more sense to be both true and false simultaneously. I read in a book called Wetiko a method which describes a level of definition, or perception to be of 4 factors - true, false, both true and false, neither true nor false. Understanding, or more so, experiencing this idea can allow you to think much more freely. However I would assume this type of understanding/knowing, or the perception of understanding, can only come at a certain level of your own self-awareness during the individuation process.

Great insight. I find this paralleled to school shooters acting out their shadow: Jordan Peterson said when lobsters where given anti depressants they where able to bypass their defeated/ lower status on the dominance hierarchy to challenge such the high position, most if not all the school shooters where definitely on anti-depressants.

What a kick ass podcast this is great ! I'm very glad I found it and will look forward to listening / watching even more ! Well done for diving into this material head first btw, most people are too afraid to do this stuff properly.

In order to fully assess your shadow you must lift yourself from the floor which keeps you grounded. The shadow under your foot is the darkest and closest to you. Don’t expect to identify your shadow with full resolution without losing your footing.

Any video that opens with Fight Club is good thing in my Book.

"I wanted him hung, drawn and quartered immediately!", 😂 I'm late in discovering this, but I've been enjoying watching you 2 for over a week now. I get a lot out of the content, honesty, sharp observations, and the humor of this program. I've been in a ongoing crisis that is reaching a pinnacle now, and studying Jung and applying deep shadow work has kept me in the game this far, with the grace of Providence. Thank you!

These series are so great!!! Thank you for creating them. I am so thankful.

I was a prick growing up! Been attempting to explore the shadow to be a better person

Really enjoyed this. I am the college kid staring at a Buddha poster after dropping acid attempting to see beautiful things all the time 😅 . Dead on lol. I am digging into the uncomfortable parts of the psyche now. Thanks for this wonderful conversation!

This was a really great video. You've done a fabulous job explaining this information in a way that make sense to me. Just the introduction to this type of information has taken me a very long time to wrap my mind around.

Great video! You two are very fun to watch and I get alot out of your videos. You're inspiring me to read these books myself 😁

I love that you mentioned that shadows are not always the "bad" aspects, that people also express what society deems bad and repress what normally would be deemed good. I really like how you speak of the shadow in terms of a character such as Tyler Durden. That was a GREAT scene and way to start this conversation with a visual example. I am used to thinking of the shadow as traits, aspects, emotions but of course, now that I hear you say it, the conglomeration of those traits etc would be a personality or character. The example you used of the jesus character as the shadow of the prisoner is a great visual. I have a shadow integrating guided meditation I found on youtube that I enjoy doing where I am coming upon a tree in a field and some character that is a visual representation of a trait I need to integrate is just barely peeking out from behind a tree. Each trait is a character that I recognize as myself and proceed to sit diwn with and have a conversation where I apologize and feel deep empathy and sorrow for ignoring them and invite that character lovingly back to be a celebrated, expressed aspect of myself. After hearing this I am going to get in touch with what kind of charater the combined traits might be. Thank you for this wonderful conversation. I am only a third way through and am very curious what else I may learn from you. Ok, I listened more now and will share this: I spent many years reading thousands of books to understand why humans treat each other the way we do. Mostly I trying to fix what I felt was wrong with myself. I read everything from Self-help, philosophy, etiquette, biographies, quantum physics, psychology and behavior to everything that those books branched out into spirituality, eastern religion, science of mind etc..and ton of other stuff. Anyway I created a self that could walk into any room and instantly own the room, I always thought since my intention was always for good I thought that it is ok for me to have influential power. I told myself that I was better than those bastards that just take advantage and use people because I was about empowerment. Ha! Funny years I spent as "her." The one I created. Only I didn't know she was a her, I thought she was me. I didn't refer to her as her but as me. Self improvement is that. My self is something I own, not who I am. Now that I am older( and wiser?) Than what? Ha! I know that "she" is like something I can put on if I choose to and I need to be in that space of what is possible through that character but I know that she is a creation and so lately I have not really spent any time as her. I know that I enjoyed life as her but I also am learning new things like how to say no to people and not be worried about what they think and how to chill out. I am doing videos but even though putting her "on" would probably be more commercially successful and more convincing to people who don't know better I am practicing just being settled in what happens to naturally express from within me ( don't know what that means exactly) partly what I have become aware of is that I am not being something that is outside of myself. When I am her I don't have as much of an ability to actually neutrally observe. As her I am in more of a noticer of all the good in others and facilitator of bringing that out. But that means that I am overlooking a person's wholeness and ability to make poor choices. As a whole person I am less impressive to others and they are less impressive to me but I think my presence of mind resides comfortably within me and it feels somewhat relaxing. Not exciting but also not grasping, expecting, disappointed, resentful, and ultimately not so judgemental if people are not self-improving. That is SO awesome that you assumed that you were wrong about everything for a year. Great. So there was a year when I went through a heartbreaking deconstruction that I fought hard against but I see the world and myself clearer since. It is SO refreshing to hear someone go down into those really hard questions about human value in the face of genocides and people who get away with it. Sometimes my mind starts going into the perspective that we are like self organizing amoebas coming and going and who cares. I want to answer the questions but someone said to me recently that after all the research no one can really say exactly what the sun is, THE SUN! Its right there! So Im still earning to relax. I don't need answers as much as I used to think I did and I don't believe anything I think. That is not very inspiring to others, they look at me perplexed and dismayed when I tell them that I don't believe my thoughts but I get it so thats enough. Just now I woke from a lucid dream that I drifted off into while listening. I was in an unfamiliar new gym and I accidentally walked into the men's locker room. I was standing naked in front of the mirror and this black man I liked that Imet previously walked up to use the mirror, I still didn't see him or realize that I was in the wrong place until I noticed him looking at me and my aging body , not mean, not attracted but just smiling to himself, amused that I am oblivious to the fact that I am in the mens locker room. I look up, saw him and other men are walking in and dont really notice me or it's no big deal to them because I realize that my body is soft and old and nothing to be excited about. I hurriedly grab my things and walk out. My hands are full, I am looking to find the women's room trying unsuccessfully to pull the towel around my sagging butt. Thought: shadows are not just embracing traits but also morphing into different life phases and embracing the moment are lives are in. Am I the glowing angelic older wise woman or am I the decrepit hag? An old shadow of mine was if I didn't work out I felt like a puffy white larvae. Now I have been staying inside due to the pandemic and allowing myself to be a slug like never before. Its difficult to accept. One last thing ha ha! A tragic shadow story now is rhe Gabriel Fernandez story on Netflix. He was originally being raised by two kind loving gay dads, his mother had been gang raped, she was with his step dad who is a 280 pound security gaurd. He was a sweet, kind innocent 8 year old boy and just watch it the shadow elements are huge. I thought of it when you spoke of the one who raped and killed and hated the vulnerability and did it to teach them a lesson. People really need to wake up about shadows, the vulnerable innocents in our society bear the brunt of our ignorance. One other, Ted Bundy who's mother was a church lady who wore the face of purity in public and Ted was a reminder that she was sinful. He has to split himself and learned to hide, he was genius at it. M.Scott Peck wrote "The People of the Lie" I saw a story on (60 minutes?) Years ago about a mother and her boyfriend that abused her son and blamed him for being a delinquent. The boyfriend killed his pet goat in front of him. When the mother sat in court with the son she lovingly stroked his hair and spoke sweetly. They put cameras in the house that caught terrible abuse and when she was interviewed about it she insisted that she couldn't understand why he was SO messed up! Augh. Another great book is "Meeting the Shadow" the hidden power of the dark side of human nature. Eckhart Tolle said that every single thought we identify with is ego. Whether it be "I am so great, I am better than you " or I am so awful, I am worse than you." So I say also that every thought we dis-identity with is shadow. Thanks again, I wish for you massive success, however you define it.