MOA Sucks Part III - MOA Is NOT More Precise

I've watched almost all of your videos and this is possibly the best and most informative educational video yet. Keep up the great work!

I have all MOA scopes. But I completely agree with you.... it's the shooter, the gun, and the environment at the time of shot. I just use MOA because I'm used to it. Very informative video. Thanks

Loved your synopsis. Makes a lot of sense, and very well presented. Keep up the great work!!

Awesome video. Well detailed and presented. Helps me better relay the advantages to my students.

MOA guy here with some math. 1/4 MOA has a smaller angular resolution than 10th MIL. I think we can agree there. This is a fact angularly proven by what MOA are MRAD at the core deriving from the 360 degrees of a circle. Basic 6th grade math. NOW, the ability to SHOOT consistently to that difference is extremely EXTREMELY unlikely due to other variables. One's best grouping is, as you said, one's best grouping. More decimal places in an angle doesn't make one a more precise or accurate shooter. Great video and Great perspective with this series. Thanks for putting in the hours to make it happen!!!

Awesome response! OK, When I say I like the more precise adjustments, I am talking about shooting tiny groups at 1-300 yards from a bench. I agree that mils work great at long distance. Personally, when using the same rifle both from a bench and for long range when I occasionally get the opportunity I think I still prefer moa, with that said I can easily do the math in my head to convert. It does take a bit longer, but again, I am not competing. If more of my shooting was long distance than it currently is, I can see where mils could be a better option.

I use MIL in Fclass and it is at times an issue with the culture of Fclass in MOA. But I’m upgrading for my he Kahles 525DLR to the March 8x80 so MOA is in the near future.

Love the analogy of watching white belt vs black belt. I'm a medic and often volunteer to train new guys. I always lecture them on basic fundamentals because they see the advanced stuff and that's all they want to learn. What resources would you recommend to someone who is trying to learn the fundamentals of long range? I know a class would be great. But not all schools are created equal and traveling may not be possible. Are there books, videos, online courses that you would suggest? Do you offer the didactic portion of your school for purchase online?

Great discussion. Even aside from the MOA/MIL debate great discussion of the concepts and facts. That is why I enjoy this channel so much. It`s worth my time. Thanks

Excellent vid. Refreshing to see guys like yourself with unquestionable experience getting this kind of info out there. This kind of info is slowly but surely making inroads into the shooter forums. Hopefully we'll see the day when shooters refer to their rifles shooting within a range of group sizes &, we may well see guys talking about the most important subject of matching POI to POA which, is the most important aspect of medium to long range shooting. Hopefully that will be in a future video.

The most common argument i hear against moa is "you need to make more clicks" or "you have to count each click" but every optic has large indicator numbers for every inch or every other inch, if it's every other inch there's a bigger line on the turret indicating the number 7 between 6 and 8. so if you're paying any attention to your adjustment, moa really isn't that much slower to adjust, in most cases not slower enough to make a difference

I use MOA and will continue. I doubt any Benchrest/Fclass shooters will switch to mil after watching this video. I think they like the greater scope precision of .1 inch per click w moa. With that said, thanks for the great video and that hornady section was valuable.

I would love to see this video series put into a Playlist. It would make it so much easier to watch from start to finish.

Very informative!! Thanks

Gary, awesome video. I am in Australia pretty new to firearms and precision shooting is what does it for me. It was a little weird for me to see people get excited over high precision without the high accuracy and basing their best performance from any chosen 3 shot group. So this video was so good to watch. As we use the metric system here I gravitated towards MIL. I know millimeters and MIL are not the same, but the working out just made more sense to me. I was wondering if you have ever seen anyone using MIL and the metric system for distances as I have looked but can't find any.

The stats side is tricky. I shot 4 5 shot groups today with max SD of 26 & ES of 62. But across the 20, the hi minus the low was 127 FPS different, or 3/10’s at 500 yards or 5.4” variance from that alone. You just don’t know when it’s going to happen. That’s what they were sort of saying group size was like with misconceptions. How you explain that in MOA beats the hell out of me.

Amazing video! Thanks for this information. I wish you made this video before I bought my Optics. haha.

you and hornady keep breaking my heart. thanks for the info now I have to use it.

Awesome video 🙏

I’ve learned so much from your channel. Thanks for putting out such amazing content (for free, no less)!