The Wasteland of Jordan Peterson | Big Joel

Thanks for watching the video everyone! If you really liked it, consider checking out my patreon www.patreon.com/posts/32853294. The version I have uploaded there has a slightly different ending than this one (for copyright reasons), so check that out,, if you want to. Anyhow, onto the footnotes! Footnote 1: While I understand that Jordan Peterson does not call himself a conservative, I’ve chosen to include discussion of him in this video for two reasons. First, the guy’s a conservative. While he offhandedly entertains the ideas of progressives, to me it seems that he constantly favors conservative talking points and makes it his mission to undermine any form of progressivism. Second, even if he doesn’t lump perfectly into the ideologies of conservatism, those are the positions I care about here. That is to say, when I respond to Peterson, I am responding to a conservative Footnote 2: At another point in the series, Peterson talks about the Harvard Unconscious Bias test, how it doesn’t come to the conclusions the researchers originally thought it did and how the researchers refuse to acknowledge this fact. This is the same as throwing out the idea of white privilege based on one personal examination of it. To invalidate a theory, you can’t just laugh at a few articles and call it a day, you have to actually prove something. What’s more, while other forms of analysis are of course useful, the core of any sociological examination of oppression is a material analysis of how that oppression works in the real world. A topic he simply does not touch. Also, the researchers behind the study have said that the study does not allow us to come to the conclusions we might think it does, so, take that, I guess. www.vox.com/identities/2017/3/7/14637626/implicit-… Footnote 3: I have a lot of responses to this idea from Orwell. While I don’t see it as immoral or bad to criticize billionaires for living in impossible decadence while many others live in poverty, I do hope that these criticisms don’t mask the real purpose of social reforms and systemic changes: to make the world better for people who need the world to be better. And wherever people do not seem concerned with this central position, I think they should be.one/ possible solution to this problem is fairly simple. If academic leftists aren’t showing enough compassion for the marginalized, let’s give the marginalized more of a voice, not simply reject ideas that might help people. It’s relevant here that that Peterson would probably hate this solution, since he explicitly believes less educated people (like, for instance, the working class) should no more tamper with the inner functioning of society than I should mess with the electrical functioning of a car. Footnote 4 (just another random thing): In this video, I use the word “white privilege” interchangeably with “systemic racism.” This is for two reasons. First, these ideas are the logical consequence of each other. If systemic racism exists and it impacts non white people more than white people, then it follows that white people are privileged in the sense that they do not live under systemic racism. Personally, I prefer the phrase “systemic racism” to “white privilege” since I find that it better captures the fact that fixing racism is about solving injustice, not taking away people’s privileges, but it’s fairly unimportant to this conversation since this is obviously not the problem Jordan Peterson has with the phrase. Second, Peterson rightly lumps these phrases together and also dislikes the idea of systemic racism, as you can see from this moment https://youtu.be/ofmuCXRMoSA?t=3550, where he says "systemic racism" is another term he despises.

I loved where he said “it’s like being against torture,” as though that’s so obvious. As though we haven’t spent years arguing whether torture is justified.

It's a special kind of ignorance when you tell people drawing attention to the short comings of capitalism that they can't draw attention to the short comings of capitalism until they have excelled under capitalism.

"Up yours woke moralists. We'll see who cancels who." (Statement from a man who is absolutely not salty about getting banned off Twitter.)

“No one is for poverty” Jordan pick up a history book

Nobody likes poverty? Nobody likes THEIR poverty. When it comes to other people's poverty, they may or may not care to varying degrees.

Real talk: the first three minutes explained T.S. Eliot's "The Wasteland" better than any college English course I've taken.

"Because to Jordan Peterson relinquishing brownie points from some hypothetical activist protesting poverty will always, always be more important than the poverty they protest." Man what an amazing quote I'm saving this.

I would agree with you Joel, but I'm just too convinced by Jordan Peterson and how incredibly in order his house is. If he were a drug addicted hysteric who thought that the Chinese were milking men for their sperm, maybe I wouldn't be so convinced by him.

If we were to eliminate all people who considered themselves broken and inadequate from public discussion, we would only have the genuinely unqualified remaining.

I have never in my life seen a protest sign that says "I'm against poverty"

I like how his measure of credibility is HIMSELF. He got degrees, he has a wife, he has kids, his own business, etc...

Oppressed minority: “the unjust setup of the system makes it incredibly difficult for us to be successful, maybe we can level the playing field.” Peterson: “you’re not allowed to suggest changes to the system until you’re successful.” Amazing

I don't think "no to poverty" is a classic protest sign, usually protests respond to something pretty specific and the demands tend to be also pretty specific, so instead of "end poverty" it would be "raise the minimum wage," for example. On the other hand, you know who does give ambiguous platitudes and no real specific policies? Most politicians running for an election.

As everyone knows, no politician, philosopher, artist, or activist who's changed the world in all of human history has ever had any personal or interpersonal problems whatsoever

it was so cool when this came out seeing u just say "i like attention and feeling smart and correct about things" out loud, you're so cool for that. the self awareness & humility rubbed off on me that day i think

How the hell is individual responsibility going to fix climate change.A small number of companies are emitting 70% of emissions.What the hell are we supposed to do?

"to Jordan Peterson relinquishing brownie points from a hypothetical activist protesting poverty will always be more important than the poverty they protest" One of the best and most accurate criticisms of JBP

the thing is protesting isent about "is x bad" its "should we do something about it" because yes if you ask someone if poverty is bad very few people will disagree, but if you ask them if we should do something you get a whole lot of "well thats not my problem"

Peterson reminds me of when i was arguing something in an essay in school - I'd realize i was wrong, but couldn't be bothered or didn't have time to change it. So i went with it, and tried to argue it, even though I knew it was wrong