Suleika Jaouad is Learning to Live (With Cancer) | Rich Roll Podcast

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Published 2024-01-15
Rich sits down with Emmy-award-winning, NYT bestselling writer Suleika Jaouad to talk about navigating cancer, living a creative life, and her Netflix documentary, American Symphony. To read more about Suleika and peruse the full show notes, go here👉🏾bit.ly/richroll807

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00:00:00 Intro
00:03:05 Navigating life during treatment
00:05:55 The shock of a leukemia diagnosis at 22
00:08:32 Struggling with identity and ambition during illness
00:12:35 Finding purpose through creativity and writing
00:18:30 Challenging traditional narratives of illness
00:22:48 Embracing the in-between spaces of life
00:24:02 Struggling with moving on after treatment
00:25:13 Finding Rituals
00:26:12 Sponsor Break
00:27:18 PTSD Diagnosis
00:28:23 Lack of Support
00:28:52 Creating Support
00:29:34 Blogging Journey
00:32:04 Challenges of Writing
00:34:18 Visiting Strangers
00:38:40 Struggle with Vulnerability
00:41:17 Impact of Book and TED Talk
00:46:03 Facing Relapse
00:48:37 Fear of Relapse
00:49:41 Misdiagnosis
00:50:56 The biopsy
00:52:41 Diagnosis and relief
00:54:38 American Symphony
00:56:17 Making the film
00:59:36 Vulnerability and creativity
01:01:10 Ad Break
01:02:41 John's commitment
01:13:25 Suleika's creative process
01:18:25 Finding peace
01:18:39 The allowing and surrender
01:19:18 The inevitability of creativity
01:20:31 The surprise and manifestation in writing
01:22:32 The power of manifestation
01:24:50 Embracing limitations and finding meaning
01:27:54 Navigating uncertainty and living in the present
01:34:44 Living in the in-between
01:37:09 Transforming darkness into light
01:41:26 Facing fear and embracing creativity
01:42:24 Embracing ambiguity and improvisation
01:43:19 Reimagining survival as a creative act
01:46:36 Surrendering to the Power Outage
01:47:47 Navigating Change
01:48:27 Finding Agency in Response
01:49:25 Embracing the Journey of Response
01:51:38 Expressing Gratitude and Love
01:52:04 Podcast Closing and Support

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All Comments (21)
  • @deniselowry8582
    I could listen to Suleika forever.She is a gift and helps me feel more human.
  • I’m a long time, late stage cancer survivor. My work is with survivors. This beautiful conversation is a gift , not only to survivors, but to all humanity. Thank you 🙏
  • @ac-dn6zp
    Suleika you blow me away. Every time I watch one of your interviews. You teach and show me what grace is really about. Thank you for sharing Suleika.
  • I have seen Suleika's story before, but something about this interview made me weep over and over during it. Maybe it is because I am seeing it through my own lens of having recently faced my own mortality numerous times. Last July, I survived a heart attack, brought on my Long Covid. I have been suffering from blood pressure that goes from normal, to up in the 200's for four years as a result of Covid and sodium levels that crash too low. I have been the the ED at least 60 times in an ambulance in four years.I guess my heart finally got tired. Then, this past December, I was exposed to Covid again and it caused me to have a second heart attack, Myocarditis, Pericarditis, Covid pneumonia, bacterial pneumonia and dangerous sodium and wbc levels. Whenever I have blood pressure spikes, it always causes heart attack symptoms(except the summer I had a TIA), but just like Suleika, when I had the two actual heart attacks, I just knew this time was different. My daughter had a double mastectomy when she was 36 and I know that fear that the cancer could always come back. The truth is that we are all on borrowed time:just some of us get to face that fact sooner than later. So I don't have a bucket list, but I relish sitting in a sun spot on a cold Winter's day with a mug of steaming tea. I cherish my pets and have made plans for them if I die the next time my heart decideds it's tired. I tell everyone I love, how I feel. Covid had me in the hospital then in bed for a month, but I am going to relish every day that God gives me to be upright and on this side of the dirt. God bless you and John and thank you Rich, for yet another amazing podcast interview.
  • @MaryDawley-eg6bx
    Her ability and willingness to articulate and reflect on her experiences is such a gift to all who read and listen to her.
  • @EvaTuschman
    In addition to being a conversation filled with wisdom, I greatly appreciated the feeling of mutual respect and co-introspection. Both Rich and Suleika were deeply present for the slow and meaningful unfolding. Rich’s genuine curiosity touched me a lot, as did Suleika’s thoughtful articulations. Her composure feels so deep and so centered. I agree that living each day as though it’s your first (rather than your last) invites a sense of wonder, attention and gratitude. As someone living with unresolved illness, I also try to live from this place of reverence. Thank you, Suleika and Rich, for this very moving and contemplative conversation
  • The world needs more tenderness, just like this conversation. Thank you Rich, the RRP Team, and Suleika.
  • Cannot imagine a day when Suleika's inexplicable strength, wisdom, grace, humility, vulnerability and sheer beauty of her Soul seize to be the absolute standard I'm trying (and failing) to hold myself to. The amount of empathy I've felt throughout the entire book truly frightened me - I never felt this present with my own pain, yet couldn't help but lean into hers. It's impossible not to feel like it's all happening to you, too - and you will be 100% better for it. It's the book that will make you want to hug and protect the entire world. And cherish every second of your life that isn't spend in pain. Her words will act like invisible stitches right where your wounds are. Following her story has been one of the most life-changing experiences of my life. Thank you Rich. My endless awe and gratitude to you Suleika 🥺 I hope your health will allow you to keep making the world a better place until you're at least a hundred.
  • @Mary-tj5qx
    She's incredibly strong and is certainly reporting from the front lines. I had a sister who died of cancer in her 30's and there is something profoundly sad at someone being the prime of their life, with everything in front of them, and with full awareness of all of that, being cut down. Heartbreakingly sad. But also super valuable that she is dong this. We are all on this journey, at differenct paces but she has a lot to each us all.
  • @ThePeaceful0909
    ❤So much respect for Suleika's tenacity, perseverance, and grit❤
  • @wallyrbc
    What an incredible woman, truly inspirational.
  • @dianeleirer9878
    This was so powerful. Suleika Jaoad has a calm cadence when speaking, which allows the listener to absorb her depth and wisdom. I’m glad this podcast was 2 hours. Thank you to the Rich Roll Team and Suleika Jaoad for this gift.
  • @leraes6378
    I really needed to hear this today. I've been chronically ill from Lyme disease for 20 yrs. a former athlete, health care provider...I've lost so much during the suffering. Including my dignity. But listening to her speak has made me hold my head up a bit higher and encouraged me to use this platform any way I can and defeat the apathy that pulls every cell in your body down. I had a convo with a fellow Lyme sufferer and we both feel "lost". After prayer, we decided to rest in God's will without trying to strive. Thank you for speaking our and being so vulnerable. What class
  • @Dplaysitcool
    I read Suleika's book a while back now. I can honestly say it was one of the most important and emotional books I've read.
  • @mariecomber3468
    I love how her face lights up every time Jon’s name is mentioned. An amazing woman!
  • @Ili-ana
    I love and enjoy listening Suleika's insights, she is this wisdom lady 🙌🙌🙌❤🧡💛
  • @gailmanley3130
    This was outstanding ❣️ I traveled this route but not nearly as intense. She is so poised and articulate. My experience with the survivors groups was that in general they still approached it with an attack mindset instead of moving on in peace. What a brave beautiful soul. ✨
  • @chrismurrell747
    I’m a cancer survivor and currently living with brain meningiomas. Will live with these for the rest of my life. I so connected with this interview. She is very articulate, thoughtful and demonstrates a grace that shows hope and living like it is your first day is how I feel. So grateful and live with joy for everyday. There is no rule that everyone is intended to live until old age. We are arrogant to expect it
  • @a.wilcox5690
    Wow! So brave, so honest. Triggered my own trauma from having faced 2 cancer journeys. The trauma and mental health issues don’t get talked about like this. I applaud her for her ability to share these painful struggles. No rosy lens here. Just the truth. Chemo and surgery were very difficult and isolating and painful snd lonely for me. Despite the atmosphere of support I had, rarely did anyone offer to sit with me for hours to accompany me through the moment-to-moment suffering. I suffered alone. I felt the pressure to wear the face of a warrior but i felt destroyed. It tore down my sense of self and left me searching for a way to survive each day. I appreciate so much this honest discussion of illness even though her diagnosis and impact were different than mine. There are some universal shared truths. I admire her so much. Each day is a new day to be appreciated.