Product management theater | Marty Cagan (Silicon Valley Product Group)

Marty Cagan is sometimes too theoretical but I appreciate how Lenny pushes for practical advice.

Interviews with Marty are the ones I click "like" button first and then start watching. Thank you, Lenny! Thank you, Marty!

I work in a company with feature teams and is exactly how Marty describes it.

As someone who's an aspiring Product Manager super helpful to learn what Product Management ISN'T as well as what it IS! Rivian is my dream vehicle. Thanks for the great Podcast!

Listening to Marty always always takes you back to the foundational of Product. It is like a lemonade on a summer day. Refreshing! Thanks Lenny, you are the best as always.

As a beginner explorer of this field feeling so fortunate to have the right definition of the role and everything around it from the best himself. Such a refreshing episode, thanks Marty AND Lenny for making this happen!

After listening through 50 mins about what is not, what is not, what is not, things start to click for me: It is more than delivery; it is more than optimization! It is about leading new value. (discover, shape, and bet new value through product offering). To the nutshell, Product Team (2.0) = Innovation + Product Team

Great interview, from my experinece I can share that even when company wants to switch to product way , work on outcomes, not on outputs, company fails because accounting, board is not outcome driven. It is much easier for board and accouting to use feature factories, project approach for planning budget. So even when company experiments with empowerd product team at the end Product Manager is asked for road map of items and time table "you know, just for accounting, to get founding" and thats spoils whol way of working

This podcast is amazing and eye opener to lot of people who just dont understand the product and project management. Thank you Lenny & Marty

Fastest click to watch ever, love Marty Cagan.

I feel there is so much to what Marty is saying about really good people, "in Earnest" trying to do the right thing. "The willing worker" as deming used to say. There's so much to being lucky, to being fortunate enough to have the right exposure to truly Customer focused ways of working. Lots of noise to find healthy ways of working, i really care about the outcomes of teams and solving problems. The world is a better place for myself, my kids, my friends and it's sustainable all around. There's an og by the name of deming that focused on product experimentation almost 70 years ago. He was part of a group that transformed Japan in ww2. At the end of the day all the learnings and practices fell to "the prevailing system of management". Had gm and Ford not been bailed out by us government, theater may not be a description of modern knowledge work

Am i the only one snooping around Marty's book shelf? 😂

7:41 Lenny’s try to hold the onair face tight when Marty said he’s a paid subscriber 😂 11:57 Marty giving a reality check to all companies who’s polishing their ideas kn this podcast 😂

For the most part I agree with Marty and love the candid perspective. I wonder if he has noticed something I have (15+ years), which is that many members of the executive management around product today are $$ people, i.e., lots of MBAs, many of whom have never worked in product at the hands-on level but are now SVPs of product or CPOs. The directives that come from these guys with an "or else" attached have changed the expectations of what the role is all about. It becomes a bit of a culture clash, no?

Really good one, thanks Lenny and Marty, one of the best podcasts!

Really good vision of the state of product in 2024 One problem I have seen with empowered product teams vs. Feature teams : it’s too vague for executives. Telling them “we’ll improve the product and fix problems” against a feature that sales say could bring X in revenue. One seems concrete and brings B2B revenue, the other one seems more uncertain

I hope this episode serves as an awakening call to all the founders and product leaders who say we can’t do things this way. Truly valuable lesson here.

i have the same belief, the fact that the material and courses out in market is already spoiling our next generation which is a fact, i am going to contribute from my side on whatever i can, thank you @lenny for this one.

Received the book last Monday 4th in Europe. I highly recommend getting the book Transformed (and the other 2 to complete the trilogy of PM) 😊

Great podcast!!! Great guest!!! Super valuable information!!!