Sugar Cravings, Red Meat, and Your Health | Max Lugavere | EP 456

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Published 2024-06-17
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Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down in-person with filmmaker and science author Max Lugavere. They discuss his upcoming film, “Little Empty Boxes,” that details his mother’s progression through dementia, which set Max on his life’s journey to understand and communicate the science behind health and nutrition. Dr. Peterson and Lugavere also discuss obesity, toxic exposure, hypertension, and elimination diets.

Max Lugavere is a health and science journalist, filmmaker, and bestselling author. He is the author of the Genius trilogy of books, including the New York Times bestseller “Genius Foods” and the Wall Street Journal bestseller “Genius Kitchen.” He hosts The Genius Life podcast, one of the top health and wellness podcasts in the U.S. His appearances on The Today Show, The Rachael Ray Show, The Doctors, and The Joe Rogan Experience have made him a respected and well-known voice in the field. His debut film Little Empty Boxes, a project 10 years in the making and the first film to document the science of dementia prevention, is available for pre-order now at LittleEmptyBoxes.com.

This episode was recorded on June 8th, 2024

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- Chapters -

(0:00) Coming up
(0:16) Intro
(2:43) Where psychology and nutrition meet
(3:53) The Genius Trilogy: how diet plays a role in mediating mental health
(6:51) Watching a degenerative neural disease take hold, “a profound call to action”
(9:32) The food pyramid is a scam, obesity rates and risks
(16:29) Parkinson’s disease is a mid-life condition that only shows symptoms in late life
(20:08) Bridging science and journalism to tell important stories
(27:16) Richard Isaacson: from learning to collaborating
(28:26) Most physicians are not scientists
(29:37) Forty percent of Dementia cases are attributable to modifiable risk factors
(32:24) Diabetes and age adjustment for diagnoses
(33:47) Hypertension, the SPRINT MIND trial
(35:52) Nutrition is not the only risk factor
(41:38) Toxic exposure
(44:30) Hearing loss is a newly identified risk factor
(46:00) The majority of cases are likely preventable — you have agency
(49:20) Where to shop in the supermarket, the incredible benefits of extra virgin olive oil
(51:16) Whole Foods, not ultra-processed food-like products
(53:16) Food deserts, ultra-processed foods impact behavior like a drug
(56:35) Are you training your gut microbiome to crave sugar?
(59:19) The 12-year-old-boy diet
(1:01:30) If it has an ad on TV, avoid it
(1:04:02) Red meat is a health food
(1:08:07) Fortified grains are not a whole food
(1:11:28) Food propaganda has a serious effect, correlational dietary studies are not plausible
(1:14:50) The carnivore diet: clear advantages and potential dangers
(1:27:12) Changes in cooking habits, environment, and food access
(1:30:31) Fraud in the field of Alzheimer’s drug research
(1:35:33) Slowing progression
(1:37:44) ‘Little Empty Boxes’ — a must-see film



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All Comments (21)
  • Over the last 15 years or so I have cut out sauces and gravies, fast foods and "instant" foods. My palate has grown simple, to the point where I actually don't like even salad dressings - other than olive oil and balsamic vinegar. You can chase me with sugary deserts or "treats". I have finally managed to drop bread. I very seldom eat out and most times I choose to cook from scratch, don't do frying, only steaming, poaching or grilling. This discussion has been eye-opening and has justified my simple foods choice. I'm 70 and not on any medication. I am blessed!
  • I can't wait for the world to move on past "left versus right" so that we can focus on real problems like this.
  • Autoimmune diseases, arthritis, diabetes and certain types of dementia are adverse side of effects of vaccines and certain medicines (as noted in pub med). Working In dentistry I love to spend hours talking to the 100 year olds. One amazing lady who just turned a 100 years old this month, grew up on her parents cattle ranch and is a retired teacher. She has consumed a lot of fresh red meat, eggs (made in a variety dishes) and homemade fruit pies over her life time. One day she brought me a homemade berry pie to thank me for walking her out to her SUV which she drives by herself to the dentist office. She wears a fit band daily and walks with friends from her neighborhood and church. This lady does not suffer from any chronic disease, doesn't need daily medicine and still has a crystal clear short and long term memory. There is so much to learn from these 100 year olds who still have their memories.
  • I cut out most carbs and sugars 2 years ago purely to lose weight and stuck to meats, fats and leafy vegetables. I'm also on a 16/8 intermittent fast. None of it takes any effort. I was 66 at the time. I quickly lost weight. I was always reasonably fit, but I was carrying too much timber. My fitness obviously improved, but what pleasantly shocked me was how my temperment and brain function changed for the better. It's as I've been possessed by a much nicer person.
  • @2BeefHair
    “It’s not controversial it’s just anti-propagandistic” Love it!
  • @jcszot
    My favorite quote which comes from Dr. Robert Lustig. “ Any food that is linked to a television commercial should not be consumed.” When you feel confused over what to eat just recite this quote. It works for me!
  • @Abby07sCorner
    I suffered badly from an aggressive disease of the gut and I did elimination diet and found that a paleo diet was showing me progress, now I am doing amazing, I don’t get fevers and flare ups anywhere like I used to and I have been cusuming high amounts of beef and improved even more these last 5 months and more pasture raised eggs and goats milk. I discovered that inflammatory oils and ultra processed foods were inhibiting my health above all else. I eat no grains. This is the healthiest I have been since my diagnosis. Faith and prayer was a big role and being willing to take the tools God revealed to me over time.
  • This was such an interesting discussion. I'm 80, & so far I don't have any memory problems. One thing I had as a young person, was piano lessons for about 20 years total. I memorized pages of music. I grew up on a farm. My Mom always cooked real food, either grown by my parents or my grandparents. No pesticides, only real food-dairy cows, chickens, gardens, fruit trees, venison. Mom made meals with color, like green veggies. I also believe that staying curious about life, learning something new every day also helps keep the mind working. What do you think about my experiences?
  • Thank you for educating the public on the Food Pyramid. We need a brave lawyer who will start a Class Action Lawsuit against the Food Authority and the Canadian and American Diabetes Association. It's criminal how they have lied to the vulnerable masses, especially the CHILDREN.
  • Three months into carnivore and it's been a life changer. Dropped 10 pounds while adding muscle, no crash after lunch, indigestion gone, sleep is better, mood is better, and I don't even want sugar. I've also eliminated alcohol, even though I didn't drink much, along with juices and soft drinks. I followed you and your daughter Mikhaila, Dr. Peterson, and it's been great. Thank you!
  • I came to knowJordan Peterson through the antagonism and debates the university, press, and other woke folks had with Peterson about pronouns.Then Peterson's insight into human psychological thinking really sparked an interest in what he had to share. And since then Peterson has had a wealth of learning to reveal in which this podcast is a fruitful example. Thank you Jordan Peterson for these many things. You take a complex over looked subject like dementia and health and simplify and magnify it with your astute questions and comments. You gently prod knowledgeable guest with your Socratic method of interview to encourage them to share, like Max Lugavere, their enormous well researched investigations and learning. Simply put you life and work Peterson is helping me to better informed and frankly encouraged by being both a fabulous communicator and educator in an age where so much of national media, schools, and universities are failing us with useless information.
  • I was recently diagnosed with Endometriosis. The OBGYN said "surgery or birth control pills" was my only option. I asked what about diet, herbs, exercise? She said "no, those won't help your pain." Left her office and will never return. Going to try gluten free to see if that helps. Wish me luck.
  • @Yeathattravis
    I still can’t comprehend how Mr Peterson exists in our era. Just image how ppl are going to read his books and watch us lectures In 100 years
  • @Stoitism
    5 years carnivore here and absolutely THRIVING.
  • @trussme3210
    "The only ultra processed food you should eat is red meat (beef), cows go to a lot of bother to make it." JP was rightfully pretty proud of that line! 😂🤣 Someone needs to distill that into a t-shirt one liner.
  • @jaden7377
    i love how you can tell that Dr Peterson thinks about everything he says before he speaks
  • @Tuber0722
    I get a feeling of disgust when I think of ultra processed food now, which wasn’t always the case. Grateful that I’ve been able to rewire my thinking and it’s all thanks to discussions like this one 🙂
  • @Marge1957
    My experience as a PhD. researcher is that PhDs are human and don't necessarily look beyond their own noses. They are often unwilling to examine anything that doesn't line up with their own paradigm. That is evidenced in publishing. The old guard also controls the flow of information. If you want/need to get published, you can't challenge the generally accepted belief systems.