Do you even need threaded inserts? Strength tested!

Published 2024-01-06
Let’s test ‪@CNCKitchen‬ 's threaded inserts against no-name alternatives, or even no inserts at all!
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Timestamps:
00:00 - Intro
00:34 - Sponsor: LDO / Smart Orbiter v3.0
01:14 - Overview of the inserts used
05:13 - How threads work
08:22 - Thread fitment
11:04 - Test setup build
12:28 - Testing
13:18 - Results
14:41 - Results - Tapped threads
15:21 - Results - Modelled threads
16:46 - Results - Basic inserts
17:21 - Results - Fancy inserts
17:44 - Conclusion - Thread adapt

All Comments (21)
  • @matteoo3923
    I think it could be interesting to see how the number of perimeters around the hole and the type of infill (geometry and density) affects the strength of the insert (using CNC kitchen ones for example)
  • @toyotaboyhatman
    Surprised you didn't try nut pockets (what prusa does with their printer parts). That creates a nice solid wall that isn't distorted by brass teeth. I typically use wood screws if it's a one time use, and the inserts if it's a part that may need dis-assembly (also looks more professional). In injection molding it's exactly the same, if it's a one time assembly then self-tapping, if it needs to be serviceable there better be inserts included.
  • Flip the camera inserts to the other side of the printed piece. That way you have a larger flange you are pulling against the print. Essentially acting as a larger backup washer.
  • @WaemYt
    Test it with a regular hex nut countersink in a hexagon hole from the back on the part or a square hole in side the part and push the nut in from the side. I do this all the time and it works perfect and does not require any special nuts.
  • @brandonraineri
    Just a FYI, spiral fluted taps are much better suited to tapping plastics and soft materials like aluminum as they evacuate the chips while tapping.
  • @rklauco
    Friendly tip - for anything starting at M4+, I am not using inserts for plastic, but inserts for wood. They have larger diameter of the metal part. And I am heating them up and screwing them to the plastic - significantly increasing the contact area. Works much better. And the best part - you can then screw in the bolt from the other side, make the insert invisible and even stronger :)
  • @willl84
    LOVED the Blondihacks "Yahtzee" nod with the lathe part-off 😂
  • Perhaps consider printing a 100% infill 'doughnut' of say 10mm around each insert/tap/thread point to eliminate some of the variability caused by your part flex and infill interface, along with using an omnidirectional infill like Gyroid. It would improve pull-to-pull consistency and more accurately demonstrate the ultimate/average strength of each method.
  • @frankbauerful
    I typically use self-tapping 3mm screws in 2mm holes with no printed thread. Even for parts that need occasional disassembly and re-assembly they work great. And let's not forget that lots of injection molded cases do the same thing. And in my experience PLA parts survive unscrewing and rescrewing better than the industrially produced ABS parts. As I'm writing this I'm printing 3.5" to 5.25" mounting adapters that I designed today (because the ones on Thingiverse are all just imitations of mass produced parts and these designs work poorly for 3D printing) and the means of fastening the adapter to the PC case is by means of 3mm self-tapping screws. I always use the longest screws that will fit.
  • @IbaLabs
    In combat robots, we all use plastite screws. They have triangular lobe coarse threads. You just screw them into the plastic, no tapping required. A common failure mode we see are heat set inserts pulling out, but the plastite screws fare much better. We also tend to use a lot of walls since we’re printing for strength. Usually 3mm walls or more. Plastites are also lighter than inserts.
  • @zacharykarr
    Love the machining work and the Quinn reference, yahtzee! Would like to see your mill and lathe setups more!
  • Would be more interesting to test screws made for screwing into plastic, like "plastite" instead of screwing ISO screws directly into plastic. Right tool for the right job!
  • @lobocnc
    A handy tip for increasing the number of perimeters around just a hole: You can put an infinitesimally thin annular gap spaced out a few perimeters lines from the ID of the hole. This will force the slicer to an extra set of perimeter lines around the hole without having the increase the number of perimeters everywhere. I'll actually put these phantom gaps anywhere I need to add solid perimeter lines in an area that would otherwise just be infill.
  • I'd be really interested in seeing the results of different infills as the failure mode was always to rip the connecting walls, I think that'd be much more useful for figuring out how to get the strongest output for each usage case!
  • @AcrimoniousMirth
    For the past 5-6 years I’ve just self-tapped into a tighter printed hole and had excellent results that way. Yes, occasionally I’ll use a nut on the back and once or twice inserts but for 90% of the loads I put my prints through (including my CNC machine), the self-tapped printed holes seems just fine.
  • @auxchar
    I usually embed nuts inside the print by modeling a cavity and pausing the print at the top layer of the cavity. Nuts are usually a lot easier to find for a particular size than threaded inserts, and more broadly useful. If you need even more strength, modeling in space for a steel washer between the nut and the inside wall of the part increases the engagement with the plastic part by quite a bit.
  • @alexsemine1
    In my experience the screws for wood work much better. The hole in the printed part should be a bit bigger than the core and since these screws have a very deep and sharp thread, they usually connect very nicely with the part. The failure point is typically the connection between the printed hole and the rest of the part. For tapping the thread into PLA i found that a decent lubrication makes the process almost perfect. I typically use some grease since it does not flow away unlike oil. By the way adding a little of grease on woodscrews eases the joint process a lot. Cheers
  • @BryceDixonDev
    For extremely small screws (M2, M2.5, M3) I tend to just screw directly into an oversized printed hole; basically the tapping method, but skipping the tapping step. I get fine results, but I'm also never designing parts for strain, just assembly.
  • @blacklabel6223
    My favorite is the wood thread insert with spikes on a flat washer on the back of the part. Also always add some extra walls around the thread and it won’t pull out but generally I’d print a section of 100% infill there anyways. If you can get 4x diameter on the hole depth, printed threads chased with a forming tap are wicked strong. And like others said, burying a nut in the print in some way is always a super good option. If the nut is near an edge, you can add a keyhole slot on the side to slip the nut in and then screw through the front. I had to make a super tricky assembly once and used a thick 3mm washer tapped for an m4 bolt and slipped it in through a side slot that got plugged with epoxy to hold the threaded washer and plug in.
  • Did you test torque-out at all? Because that pull-out test is honestly almost entirely pointless as that is just not the way you use them in, dare I say it, almost any case.