A Deep Dive Into the Plot Hole Rabbit Hole

Never expected this Incredibles example to be so controversial. The arguments I'm seeing in the comments are really interesting and I wish I'd been able to make this video with the benefit of knowing those perspectives. If I'd known this would separate audiences so much though I'd probably have chosen a different example to ease people into the topic. I feel I really misjudged a part of my video here, and I hope this opening doesn't taint too many people's perception of the full thing. I know I've not committed some horrific crime or anything here, I'm just annoyed with myself for needlessly turning so many people off like that.

One of the biggest plot holes in the prequel trilogy of Star wars is how after getting with Anakin, Padme gets pregnant and how that happened is never explained in the movie, and my parents won't tell me how that happened

Edna seems like the kind of person who would know a lot of things she's not supposed to know about.

I always thought in the Incredibles it was subtly implied that Edna, being incredibly rich and rather insane, is sort of a Batman figure, but for fashion, and likely has a comprehensive list of all known (and most unknown) super-powered individuals, specific details on their powers, and a comprehensive plan on how to create a super suite for them. At least that’s what I took away from it as a kid, and I absolutely loved the implications

I love the part in Goblet of Fire that Evil David Tennant disguised as Brendan Gleeson says "Only a powerful confundus charm cast by an exceptionally powerful wizard could have hoodwinked [the Goblet of Fire]." In hindsight, he's, of course, referring to himself. "I don't know who did this act, but he sounds handsome."

I appreciate the line "an alien impostor has taken over the supposed brain of one of the crew members" which subtly establishes that the implausible thing isn't the alien impostor but the idea that one of the crew members has a brain

This is the first time in a while I've heard "alien" "imposter" and "crew" in the same sentence without the imposter sting. This video is clean.

I never thought of Edna making the costumes as a plot hole, I always thought the implication was that Edna semi-stalked the family. On top of that I never thought her stalking was ever like creepy/malicious, just this weirdly excentric but loving Aunt who still cared about her two biggest clients.

At 00:24 Jay Exci says "you volantarily clicked on this video so at least you care a little bit" but in fact this video played automatically for me. That's a plot hole.

"A plot hole can be subtle or conspicuous, tiny or ridiculous, one can be forgotten within seconds or can stick with us." Pure poetry.

"I'm indoors in one shot and outdoors in another shot" For it to be comparable to what happens in Dark Knight Rises, you'd have had to be bidridden and injured, trapped inside of the building with armed guards covering every entrance and exit with orders to kill you on sight. And then in the next shot you're just outside, wandering around, never mentioning the guards or your injury ever again. The audience understands that you did it, somehow, otherwise you wouldn't be in the 2nd location. They want to know how on earth you even could, given the information already set up.

The thing about the goblet of fire is it’s suck an easy fix. For example, when they board the Hogwarts express have Harry ask off handedly “hey, why don’t we just use a port key to get to Hogwarts” and have Hermione explain “Hogwarts has a charm around it that prevents port keys from landing anywhere on the grounds, and any port keys brought into Hogwarts are automatically disabled” Then later in the movie while they’re discussing how Harry’s name got on the goblet have Mad Eye says one thing along the lines of “The goblet is resistant to almost all charms placed on it. It would take very strong dark magic to override it” Then in the final scene we can get the “Ah ha” moment when it’s revealed that the reason it had to be the Triwizard cup is because it’s one of the few magic items that can resist the protection charm around Hogwarts. It’s literally 3 lines of dialogue, and it makes the ending much more satisfying.

Ok I do think that it would be genuinely more horrifying if there was a horror movie where the characters made smart decisions and but the villain was even smarter and was able to kill them anyway

I always assumed it was part of the joke that Edna Mode knew a bunch of stuff she wasn't supposed to, she seems like the type to have sketchy connections that keep her in-the-know on Supers, especially Bob, who she's clearly fond of. Though I suppose it could have been more elaborated on in that scene.

Plotholes are a problem, because the story lies to the audience. The Incredibles never establishes how Edna knows about Bob's children, but it also never establishes it would be hard for her to find out. It actually establishes several reasons why it would be easy, which others have stated in the comments. The Dark Knight Rises on the other hand states several reasons why it would be very hard for Batman to get back into Gotham and then it isn't.

Just my two cents, but I imagine if you contacted a close friend after a few years without contact, even if you're only looking for a favor, you'd use the opportunity to catch up with each other. In fact the start of the scene where Bob makes his request to Edna implies that they just finished such a conversation. Any other wrinkles could be ironed out by pointing out that she's extremely rich and well connected.

The line “Somehow, Batman returned” took me OUT and felt like it would have been the point of the entire piece if it wasn’t less than 15% of the way into the video

As a famous critic of nostalgia once said: "if you are starting to see the strings, it means the puppets aren't distracting you well enough" Ive seen the incredibles 10+ times and I never caught that plot hole because it is such a tightly written story (said issue could also be fixed with a couple throwaway lines too)

Edna is totally the kind of person to keep tabs on every old superhero. She probably has contacts inside and outside the government just to keep in touch. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if this isn't the first time she's made suits on the down low.

I hate the argument against plot holes that are “but if plot hole didn’t happen then blank couldn’t have happened”. As if the script can’t just be rewritten.